DECC give early adopters a break - important - please read!

[Justme]

Just filling in my accreditation application.

What should I put for my DNC?

The instructions say its

DNC is the highest generation of electricity which, on the assumption that the source of power is available continuously, can be maintained indefinitely without causing damage to the generator, less any electricity consumed by the generator. Please note that this question refers to capacity and not the output of the generating station. DNC should not be confused with total installed capacity, which is simply the electrical power rating of your generation equipment.

Now as I am going to be using 100% of my power is my DNC 0?

Or does generator in this case mean the actual equipment not the site owner?

If it helps my system is 1.2kwp PV.

[guydewdney]

what that means is you make 1.2kw - but the grid tie inverter uses (say) 100 watts - so the answer would be 1.1kw

I have a 7kw install - but it only runs at 5kw constant - minus the GTI at 45w x 2.... if you see what I mean.

[Justme]

ARRRRGH

I now find that the serial number has been removed by the seller (bought via ebay but is a proper trader that gets recommended lots here).


Need a barcode scanner now lol to read it.
(sorted now thanks to OH & makeup remover)

Have started a new thread re filling in the form to keep this thread on track.

[Paulh_Boats]

This is what the Energy Saving Trust website says today:

Installed between 15th July 2009 and 1st April, applying for FITs after April 1st 2010

• If the system is not MCS, need to contact Ofgem after 1st April to go through ROO-FIT accreditation process.


Also:
You will qualify for the full FIT payments if:

- The technology was installed between 15th July 2009 and 31st March 2010
- It is installed on or after 1st April 2010 using an MCS certificated product and by an MCS* certificated installer;



From:
http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Generate-your-own-energy/Sell-your-own-energy/Feed-in-Tariff-Clean-Energy-Cashback-scheme


This seems to contradict the information Ivan was given....has the tide changed?

Paul

[Ivan]

I suspect this has more to do with the fact that there are 2 people at Ofgem who process the SSEG paperwork - at the best of times it seems to take several months. Can't imagine them processing more than a handful of applications during March!

[evan]

Installed between 15th July 2009 and 1st April 2010

• You can contact OFGEM to apply for Renewables Obligation accreditation by 31st March 2010 and transfer over to FITs on 1st April. You will get the full FIT payment.
• Or, you can wait until 1st April and apply under the FIT scheme directly – see below.

Does this suggest that you can buy and register whatever you want before the end of the month, it doesn't have to be MCS equipment or MCS installed, and it'll still qualify?   
Mad scramble time?

[rhys]

This is what the Energy Saving Trust website says today:

Installed between 15th July 2009 and 1st April, applying for FITs after April 1st 2010

• If the system is not MCS, need to contact Ofgem after 1st April to go through ROO-FIT accreditation process.


Also:
You will qualify for the full FIT payments if:

- The technology was installed between 15th July 2009 and 31st March 2010
- It is installed on or after 1st April 2010 using an MCS certificated product and by an MCS* certificated installer;



From:
http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Generate-your-own-energy/Sell-your-own-energy/Feed-in-Tariff-Clean-Energy-Cashback-scheme


This seems to contradict the information Ivan was given....has the tide changed?

Paul

Paul - I read it as --- if not MCS install then must apply before 1st April for RO accreditation

"Installed between 15th July 2009 and 1st April, applying for FITs after April 1st 2010

• If the system is not MCS, must apply to Ofgem before 1st April for RO accreditation.
• If system is MCS, must contact FIT licensee for registration (energy supplier)."

[Justme]

So it looks like off gridders will get 29.3p/kwh

Not quite sure what they mean here

My system is connected to a battery – can I still claim the Feed-in Tariff?

Yes you will be eligible to receive a generation tariff at the rate 29.3p/kWh. If your system is not fitted directly to a building but electricity generated is wired back to the building to be used on site, then you will be eligible to receive the tariff rate that is applicable for the type and capacity of the generating technology.

Does that mean a free standing array would get the full rate?

Still no news of how to meter off griders.

Where can I see the specification of what parts / wiring I need to have to comply with the ROC's / FIT's for off griders. IE breakers lock outs, labels etc.

Dont want to mess up my application by not dotting my i's & crossing my t's

[chrismeilak]

Just a quick question, I have registered with N-power who in turn have applied for Roc's for me. When i applied they wanted my systems details and diagram etc. Do i need to do anything else for the FIT and if i want to add another 480w to my system do i need to notify them now or will i be able to add capacity later?
Cheers
Chris

[noah]

Email received today from Scottish and Southern agrees that projects registered between july09 and 1 April10 will transfer automatically to FITs without needing MCS approval.

[guydewdney]

Is there any reason why I cannot 'decomission' my system - then re-register it next week?

[linesrg]

Noah,

As I have posted previously the people at S&S do seem to have a sensible head on, whether they will end up having to re-address their current approach I don't know.

I will say again they have been nothing but helpful and certainly seem 'flexible'. I can only suggest anybody with a 'doubtful' system try approaching them.

I'm waiting to see what happens post March 31st and am certainly not counting any of those proverbial chickens just yet.

Back onshore this Thursday when some more of the snow may have gone and I'm looking forward to getting some panels up on the outbuilding roof and doing my first SWA cable gland.

Regards

Richard

[Paulh_Boats]

Just to be sure - I apply for RO on the Ofgem site for a system installed after July 09 and it gets converted to full FITs after 1st April?

Is that correct?

What do I do with the ROC options etc?

[guydewdney]

From the Micro Hydro Assoc (my bold italics - which is scary):-

I spoke today to Luke Hargreaves, a fairly senior manager in Ofgem, to attempt to gain some clarification about the switch from ROCs to the Feed-in-tariff.

 

I learnt the following:

 

1                     DECC issued yesterday the final version of the new rules for the FIT: “feed-in-tariff specified maximum capacity and functions order 2010”.  Ofgem have it but it is not yet on the web as far as I can see.

2                     Unless your scheme is very close to completion, it is probably pointless trying to register a scheme now even if preliminary accreditation is awarded because Ofgem say that the automatic transfer to the FIT will only apply to a fully accredited scheme and accreditation can only be awarded to a scheme commissioned  before 1 April.  [However there should be no harm in switching to one of the green energy suppliers if you have already started down that route.]

3                     There are two separate pieces of legislation going through parliament: the Energy Bill 2010 with the new FIT conditions included, and an amendment to the RO order (2010).  If the amendment to the RO (which says schemes under 50kW capacity are no longer eligible for ROCs) were to go through, but not the FIT component of the energy bill because it was cut off by dissolution for the election, generators of 50kW and below would be unable to get either the FIT or ROCs.

 

Oh joy! – more reason to raise concerns with your MP or members of the House of Lords.

 

Regards

 

Gavin

 

From Gavin King-Smith

[Ted]

I think that just means a "fully ROCs accredited scheme" rather than a "fully MCS accredited scheme". In other words the scheme must be fully commissioned before 1st April to qualify via that route.

I'm just about to disappear for the day to the RHI meeting at CAT so I won't be able to monitor any DECC news today. If there are any new announcements for the final FITs rules they should appear here: http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/what_we_do/uk_supply/energy_mix/renewable/feedin_tariff/feedin_tariff.aspx or a page relatively close-by.

Incidentally, DECC have clarified the situation for public schemes that received LCBP Phase II grant funding (non-domestic) for a system installed between 15th July and 1st April. This was a question posed in the consultation document but never mentioned again in the response summary.

These owners can either keep the grant and get no FITs (as in zero, zilch, not even 9p) or pay back the grant and be eligible for the full FITs tariff. This is pretty strange as they would have been entitled to the 9p ROC had FITs not been introduced.

http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/what_we_do/uk_supply/energy_mix/renewable/feedin_tariff/fits_lcbp/fits_lcbp.aspx