What a shambles

[Amy]

Who would have thought it eh?

The heros of 2 weeks ago have actually returned less seats than they had before, yet will almost certainly make it to no 10.

Where is the logic in that?

The normally smug faced Jacky smith has lost her job and second home which we paid for. She was close to tears. Blame your hubby luv, oh yea, and next time, check the receipts before you send them in for reimbursment

Brown is currently refusing to call the removal company.

A handful of thieving labour MPs have lost seats

and, the tory shaddow education secretary is already exhibiting the incidious signs of arrogance and indifference

[Billy]

Good (?) morning Ames,

What joy, eh.

Billy

 

[martin]

Well.... my verdict is that the great British public (yet again) wimped out, and believed the vindictive weasellisms of "it'll give you warts, constipation and upset the cat if you vote Lib Dem" issued by the Gorgon, and most particularly the piggy-eyed posh spiv.........
I predict a few months of complete shambles (which may in itself be a good move, should stop them allowing GM and nationwide badger culls immediately), and another election in around a year....

[Amy]

brown reminds me of a stroppy kid who has been bowled out but refuses to leave the field.

If the circumstances wernt so dire, it would be amusing. As it is, the city and markets certainly dont like it and its sending all the wrong messages to the rest of the world.

How can the two losing parties now potentially form a government?
How can that be democratic?

Im remaining impartial as I cant see a decent leader or party in any of this.

The only positive thing to be enthusiastic about is the wasters who have lost their seats like lemon optic, charles clarke, jacky smith et al

[northern installer]

I do find it disturbingly undemocratic,when a losing party is apparently able to a backdoor deal with their buddies in some wannabee loser party to form a government.I say run the whole thing again,and again,until the population eventually comes to its senses and votes in a party with a clear majority 

[Amy]

Yes, especially when brown was so disparaging of Clegg and Clegg said he would work with anyone other than brown.

Time will tell if hes a man of substance and stands by his statement, or will sell his soul to brown just to get inside number 10.

[dhaslam]

The logical thing would be a Conservative  government with LD support for an agreed programme   and then go back to the electorate when the agreed  job is done.   Usually  the smaller party loses out  but it might also  work in their favour.       

[daftlad]

It's all good...... we have a green MP,
ta ta

[Amy]

I dont understand the proportional voting thing.

OK, i understand that a loser might hope they can move the goal posts to try and catch up but isnt that the whole problem with the UK these days?

Once upon a time, an applicant had to be over a certain height to join the police, now shorties are allowed, same with ethnic minorities being given extra help to pass entrance exams, men barred from selection to politics to give women more chance, kids not being alowed to 'compete' at sports day incase the losers get a complex etc

Why should a party who poll less votes get an unfair advantage?  If they want to win, they have to do what others do, GET MORE VOTES, not skew the rules.

[KLD]

What a very strange discussion this is here. We the electorate have spoken, and some of us like Green policies, some Conservatives and so on. Whether the current voting system leads to a fair representation of our preferences is another question. Now it is up to those who we asked to represent us, to get together and do what we ask them to. Why would you need to label one party the winner and another the loser is well beyond me. X percent of the electorate want those "losers" and their policies. If two or more "losers" can agree upon merging their compatible policies, then they represent a majority of us!

NI, would you change your vote just because you are asked again and again the same question?

Dhaslam, if any, then the agreed program should include a reform of the voting system, in order to get a closer representation of our, the people's, wishes. Otherwise, why should a coalition government have to put up with a shorter parliament term?

All over Europe we've had coalition governments for many decades. Do you really want to say that the UK has had better governments than the rest of Europe, with a better development of the UK's potential, may it be the economic, social, environmental etc. sector?

Klaus

[dhaslam]

The different is multi seat constituencies.   In Ireland each electoral area has three, four or five MPs  so the smaller parties get represented.   In England the industrial areas only have labour Mps and the  country areas have  Tories or  Whigs depending on the location.  It would be much better to have a balanced  representation for each area.   Most MPs are elected with 20,000 votes compared to 10,000 here   but even in a five seater constituency the area   represented would be smaller than an English  county usually.    

[martin]

PR in it's simplest form "does what it says on the tin" - if you have 600 seats to fill, you have a similar election to the one we've just had, BUT, the seats are apportioned according to numbers of votes cast overall - so if one party gets 50% of the votes, it gets 50% of the seats - 300!...... simples!

I'm with KLD, what's so wrong with a coalition? It is a VERY good way of stopping extremism of any complexion - as I said, the Tories won't be able to easily sell us out to GMMegacorp.Inc with a hung parliament, nor extend the utterly useless Welsh badger cull nationwide......

Personally, I'd like to see whips whipped then culled, lobbyists likewise........

[Amy]

Klaus

I used the terms winner and loser because thats what we have. Its a democracy, which means the majority vote gets the say. We have a first past the post system, so, the party who poll the largest amount of seats, wins.

I dont make the rules, thats how our constitution works.

Ive long thought that a one party government of all the tallents might better suit our needs, but of course, getting any decision making from a commitee is asking for trouble.

A commitee of one, gets things done.

God loved the world so, that he sent his only son, not a commitee

[Amy]

Based on Martins illustration of PR, it looks like the tories won again last night for another reason.
Most seats and most votes.

Any more good ideas?

[martin]

ahhhh, but you're forgetting who REALLY rules us through the old "first past the post"  2-party system - Multinational Megacorps. Inc................. they'd done a pretty good job on New Liebour, and rumour has it loads of deals had been done with Dave's Dullards, delivery on election - thankfully the present situation will spike their finagling to some extent.........