Sparky Costs

[tony.]

google the JIB or SJIB and see what companies actually pay their Sparks/Approved Sparks.

Off the top of my head £14 is the rate outside London.

These are sparks who turn up to work do a shift and forget all about it until the next day, where as the self employed spark will have. and have their holidays included

van
insurance
fuel
stationery
time quoting
time invoicing
possible premises.
calibration of test
rip off scheme provider
tools
holidays
tax
national insurance

more im sure.

tony

[Paulh_Boats]

Tony - our accountant says cost to the employer is about twice salary which includes business premises.

So if employed sparky gets £14/hr the employer would want to generate income of £28/hr....and the £27/hr quoted below seems fair.

cheers
Paul

[Brandon]

oh yes, that's right those of us that have knowledge and skills that are not recognised by a degree accreditation are not worth a great deal... (ducks for incoming barrage of smites).

Whilst I may have 17th ed, and part p, as pointed out by an earlier poster, I am not allowed to do the testing and issue a certificate, as I do not give the "club" enough blood...

This chap is prepared to do so, and is covering his overheads, if you think he is too dear, then feel free to shop around, it is after all an open market and there will undoubtedly be someone else who will do it for less.  I am sure that it will be no skin off his nose, and he will not loose sleep over not having to do a test for you.

I know this comes across as a rant, and it may well be in some senses, but I presume that you are planning to earn some income from this property, and will therefore be incurring a tax bill from it.  Any costs that you incur for the electrics at this point will be offset against that, and I would doubt that a couple of hours @ 40 quid a pop will be greater than the tax you will owe, it would seem daft to me to be happy to pay the tax at the end of the year, but not be happy to pay the bill that can negate the tax at this point!

I am not however advocating people tacking advantage or charging but "a man is worth his wage" (some are not if they choose to take the proverbial), if you believe that he is not then simply do not have him.

Brandon

PS, I you agree with tony accountant from experience, all too often i am tempted to get rid of my crew and go back to the good old days of being on my onesie! (when of course i did not have the manpower to get jobs done as quickly, or be able to drop one of my guys (or one of the two girls I currently employ) off the big job to provide emergency call out cover...

[Paulh_Boats]

Brandon,

I'm happy to pay a fair rate for the work, but £47/hr when already paid to be on site seems a tad unfair to all those practical people who lost their jobs recently, especially the salt of the earth who take pride in earning an honest crust without help from the taxpayer. God bless 'em.

I would much prefer to spread the money around and give somebody from the Job Centre some work - I have plenty of walls to decorate and a jungle garden to tidy! Who is the Capitalist landlord now? 

cheers
Paul

[wookey]

If it wasn't for the completely stupid regulations Paul wouldn't need to pay anyone anything. That's what's so frustrating. He probably would need to buy an insulation tester off ebay for GBP 35 (that's what I did). But now he can test again when making later changes, or in another house, and so on, or flog it on when done.  Paul, just try doing the work, writing it up carefully, filling in a BS7671 form and sending it in to the local BC and dare them to charge you extra for checking. If they try, point them to the govt circular telling them not to (referenced here in discussions passim). Only if all that fails would I resort to actually paying for the completely unecessary sparky.

And whilst you are at it write to your MP about the complete idiocy of it all. This lot might be a bit more receptive than the last lot to the idea that there is such a thing as excessive bureaucracy, a corrosive lack of trust, and unecessary red tape costing everyone (except the ignorant and the thoroughly bolshy) a fortune.

[Paulh_Boats]

If it wasn't for the completely stupid regulations Paul wouldn't need to pay anyone anything. That's what's so frustrating. He probably would need to buy an insulation tester off ebay for GBP 35 (that's what I did). But now he can test again when making later changes, or in another house, and so on, or flog it on when done.  Paul, just try doing the work, writing it up carefully, filling in a BS7671 form and sending it in to the local BC and dare them to charge you extra for checking. If they try, point them to the govt circular telling them not to (referenced here in discussions passim). Only if all that fails would I resort to actually paying for the completely unecessary sparky.

And whilst you are at it write to your MP about the complete idiocy of it all. This lot might be a bit more receptive than the last lot to the idea that there is such a thing as excessive bureaucracy, a corrosive lack of trust, and unecessary red tape costing everyone (except the ignorant and the thoroughly bolshy) a fortune.

Wookey,

Interestingly Birmingham City Council's website quotes a flat rate of £75 for the Building Control approval of BS7671 electrical work.

Cheltenham Council on the phone said their charge was £250, but made no mention of BS7671.

Gloucester Council charged £50 for the electrical part of for my solar thermal install - I ticked the box that I would wire up the controller to BS7671.
However since that they now say "get a Part P electrician" and don't quote any prices for BC electrical work on their website.


-Paul

[tony.]

our sub contactor charges us around £30 an hour for a technical labourer/mate. 40 for a spark and 45 for a site supervisor.
the 3 or 4 we sub or work to are all around the same..
 thats not domestic stuff.

tony