How do you use ALL the electricity generated from a Grid Tie

[titan]

If you have spare cash I think this does what you want   www.coolpowerproducts.com/uk/index.html

[clivejo]

I don't know about you guys but I would think of an inverter and batteries as an investment (with proper battery maintenance).  Energy prices are set to increase, by how much is anyone's guess.  The ability to store and use your own energy in a world which is seeing increasing costs, to me is very important.  If you are having to pay more to import electricity and only getting a 1/3 in return for exporting, it makes sense to use it yourself.  Hydrogen technology is looking very interesting as a storage solution, it still seems to be very expensive.  But I reckon there will come a time when wholesale electricity prices are so high, it will make these alternatives more attractive to people.

[skyewright]

If you have spare cash I think this does what you want   www.coolpowerproducts.com/uk/index.html

Already discussed (and generally found to be unlikely to make sense for most users) a number of times on the Forum, including only a few messages back in this very Topic (http://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/index.php/topic,11790.msg134285.html#msg134285).

[Justme]

but I think it is unethical if one is taking FIT payments, to withold one's export of electricity.

I guess that makes all the off griders that are getting FIT's unethical as well then?

[Justme]

but I think it is unethical if one is taking FIT payments, to withold one's export of electricity.

I guess that makes all the off griders that are getting FIT's unethical as well then?

Here we go again

I didnt imply that. Loaded question.
 I qualified my starting statement with detail : that pumping PV into immersion heaters to heat hot water that we dont need is unethical. There is nothing wrong and no need to smite people for proposing ethical behaviour.

Off gridders are being very ethical, and are pioneering technologies and lifestyle that will perhaps be more normal in future times of energy famine. A normal FIT user cant produce or store enough annually with the level being stuck at 4kW, so off gridders have to live very disciplined energy efficient and water efficient lifestyle. And I guess they have to be more pluralist, using Wind turbine, and having some devices on 12 volts.

The number of off gridders is statistically very small, and dont make an impact on the overall market. (I didnt know that they get FITs, by the way.... but I am in favour of FITs, whatever.)

Yes here we go again.

YOU Again blaming people for smiting YOU. For flips sake I dint smite you I have never smited you wind your fing neck in.

[rondurrans]

my crystal ball just woke up - it sees someone jumping ship because someone is too sensitive! All week I/we work with ultra sensitive people and have to walk on egg shells  - you come home and say the wrong thing and your partner thinks you are a knob - so for a bit of relief, and for educational purposes of course, you log on to the forum and guess what more sensitive people............................ 

[EccentricAnomaly]

A normal FIT user cant produce or store enough annually with the level being stuck at 4kW, so off gridders have to live very disciplined energy efficient and water efficient lifestyle.

The 4 kW limit would only apply to the system for which FITs are claimed.  I don't know that it says anywhere that you can't have other systems.  (I don't know that it says anywhere how you can afford other systems, either ).

Remember that there are two separate, but similar, limits: 4 kW for the highest FIT rate and 16 A/phase for easy DNO acceptance.  The second doesn't apply to off-gridders. 

[Justme]

Er yeh um, Not quite sure why I blew up like that. Sorry. 

Its odd cos offgriders get paid more it they use more which is stupid really & was sort of my point.  We use about 2.5-3kWh in summer (about 4kWh in winter & a solid average all year of 3kWh) yet can make 5-7kWh per day in summer if the bat is flat or we are using a lot as its made. It would be better for us to just burn that off for no good reason every day once the bat is full (we dont).

Can you show why you think off griders get 29.3p? Cos thats what I thought but I am now lead to think that they can get the full 41.3p rate at least for ROC to FIT conversions in the transition period.