Price of veg oil

[NickW]

I doubt it, the seed is stockpiled and processed throughout the year from what I understand. In any case at 9 miles per litre typically it would be pretty easy to burn through the UK's entire crop in no time at all

However if the price does fall this will offset the rocketing cost of wheat, milk, meat etc.

Rather than a bowl of wheataflakes how does 100ml of veg oil for breakfast sound?

[mespilus]

If you consult the Coceral projection:

http://www.coceral.com/cms/dokumente/10010342_227949/a4d5fd72/corrected_Coceral%20oilseed%20estimate%20march%202008.pdf


For rapeseed
Area 1000s of hectares
State  2007   2008
UK       593     598
EU15   4178   3967
EU 25   5838  5894

But yield is projected slightly down

[KenB]

List,

Sainsbury's now selling at £1.19 per litre for rapeseed.

Bearing in mind that diesel has 10% more BTUs, it makes petro-diesel at £1.299 per litre look like a good deal. 

(Spot the similarity to last week's post - only the numbers changed by +2.5%) 


Ken

[northern installer]

Rather than a bowl of wheataflakes how does 100ml of veg oil for breakfast sound?

Sounds great,as long as you heat it up in a frying pan,and add 2 eggs,a black pudding,4 rashers of bacon,a handful of mushrooms, a tomatoe and a slice of bread   mmmmmmmmmm(belch)

[Eleanor]

Go steady on the mushrooms NI  . Remember what happened last time you overdid it 

[northern installer]

I was young and innocent,..........and needed the money! 

[northern installer]

any more tea in that pot doll? windows should be here any minute.......I should think

[Eleanor]

I was young and innocent,..........and needed the money! 

any more tea in that pot doll? windows should be here any minute.......I should think

Don't believe any of it! 

[PEMTEK]

I read an article in a magazine today stating that if all of the UK's arable land was converted over to oil producing crop then it would produce enough oil to replace the grand total of 12% of our diesel consumption in the uk.

Not to mention petrol, gas etc

scary   

[NickW]

I read an article in a magazine today stating that if all of the UK's arable land was converted over to oil producing crop then it would produce enough oil to replace the grand total of 12% of our diesel consumption in the uk.

Not to mention petrol, gas etc

scary   

Facts like this don't worry several forum members here who promote the biomass economy as our saviour

[Ivan]

£1.19/litre at Morrisions today!

[KenB]

NickW,

And your point is exactly....??

I'm guessing it's more of your pro-nuclear monologue. 

Of course it would be lunacy to plant the whole of the UK with rapeseed, so that we could meet 12% of our diesel transport fuel.

It would be equally ill-advised to believe that 2nd generation nuclear power is going to dig us out of this hole. It will be a case of too little, too late and too much risk for private finance to handle with the present state of the economy.

If they started laying concrete tomorrow for the first 2nd generation plant, it would be 2016 before it produced its first watt of power, by which time British Energy's remaining fleet (apart from Sizewell B) will be well and truly sunk.

Add on to this, planning permission, public enquiries and protesters and it will be delayed for several years.

There is no, one solution, and nuclear power can only cover one small part of the energy gap that we are facing - not much good for keeping the trucks on the roads.



Ken

[SUNBREW]

2 days ago at costco i saw just under 20 for a 25 litre tin , about 80 p per litre.
Only noticed because i saw someone at checkout wit 30 odd tins of the stuff.
Did not notice earlier as i think he must have cleaned them out.

kevin

[NickW]

NickW,

And your point is exactly....??

I'm guessing it's more of your pro-nuclear monologue. 

Of course it would be lunacy to plant the whole of the UK with rapeseed, so that we could meet 12% of our diesel transport fuel.

It would be equally ill-advised to believe that 2nd generation nuclear power is going to dig us out of this hole. It will be a case of too little, too late and too much risk for private finance to handle with the present state of the economy.

If they started laying concrete tomorrow for the first 2nd generation plant, it would be 2016 before it produced its first watt of power, by which time British Energy's remaining fleet (apart from Sizewell B) will be well and truly sunk.

Add on to this, planning permission, public enquiries and protesters and it will be delayed for several years.

There is no, one solution, and nuclear power can only cover one small part of the energy gap that we are facing - not much good for keeping the trucks on the roads.



Ken

Ken

My point is that as good as biomass solutions are, the potential is limited by the physical availability of land in the UK and the opportunity cost of planting biomass given that most land is already in productive use for food.

Pro nuclear monologue I'd have thought better of you Ken - Whilst I am pro nuclear I have never promoted this as a magic bullet solution. In most cases I am not the originator of the nuclear threads. I just respond to create some debate - isnt this what a forums about? I do consciously restrict these debates to the general discussions and am not so impolite to clutter specific debates about solar, biomass, etc with nuclear side tracking - that would be trolling. Its not me who has introduced the N word into this thread and I can assure you I had no such intention

As for solutions I have always taken the view that end use efficiency is the first port of call as in most cases the return on investment is good, the technology largely modular and without complication. I have expressed frequently that wind offers reasonably good returns as does solar thermal. Yes Im sceptical about PV if for no other reason than the fact that supply is limited. Additionally it would be better deployed in climatic regions where output is higher and electrical demand tracks peak solar.

I also recall expressing enthusiasm for CHP opportunities including those using biomass (such as Mr Lister?), or the mini gas / oil CHP units that are starting to enter the market.

Longer term I hope to see tidal and wave energy developed. As we are all aware that tidal is doable now and wave is in its infancy. Given our territorial waters, the wave resource, and sufficent capital this is very scalable indeed.

As regards transport I have been one of the biggest advocates on this site for public transport, home and flexible working putting my views into practice for myself and the staff I manage. IMO public transport is a much more sustainable option in the long run contrasting with many of the alternative fuel proposals for personalised transport promoted here.

I agree nuclear wont keep trucks on the road but it can power electrified rail transport and free up gas which is quite useable in HGV's and buses. Also it powers heat pumps which can replace oil or gas. Indeed France and Sweden have major projects to replace oil heating with GS heat pumps.


Regards

Nick

[heatherw]

This is probably a stupid observation, but might not the widespread use of GSHP's cool down the earth?  If not globally, locally, maybe causing more frost damage in winter etc?