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« Reply #75 on: June 26, 2007, 09:54:14 PM »

Sorry - off topic but brief report from Field of Muddy Doom.










And thats all you need to know, really.........

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« Reply #76 on: July 03, 2007, 10:42:17 PM »

Hmmm - well, there has been a bit o tinkerin..... Nice voltmeter and ammeters installed into the now gutted Navitron wind controller box. Luvvin the amps from the PV's! Will make extra effort to take pics as soon as it stops bl**din raining!!

Dont you go changing now.....!


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« Reply #77 on: July 04, 2007, 11:30:13 PM »

Oooo! good collectin' day today chaps! Sunny AND windy at the same time - wots the chances of that??
Here is the butchered Nav control box. All innards junked and replaced with more robust rectifiers.
Ammeter on teh left is wind (1kw 48v) on the right is PV..........  Battery volts in't middle.




Now thats the sort of thing.....
Yippee!
Must find time to start mucking about with the genny soon......

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« Reply #78 on: July 14, 2007, 03:09:04 PM »


 hi frotter
   
                            with all this rain we've had how are your terra stakes holding up!!

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« Reply #79 on: July 14, 2007, 08:20:04 PM »

Hi - yep lots of rain. Some really windy days too! Terra locks holding really well i am pleased to say. A bit of movement at the top, you can see where they move around a few mm under strain but i see no signs of any long spirals unwinding themselves from the ground! Had a really good wind one day and was watching the ammeter hovering around 18-20 amps for long periods with occasional gusts to 25 amps! About 1300 watts - pretty good i reckon. And in those steady westerlies it seemed smooth and reliably pointing at the wind with no furling nonsense.

Going to check all joints etc before winter though..........

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« Reply #80 on: July 19, 2007, 10:34:56 PM »

Aha! Found a precious hour or two to tinker at last....
I have my Diesel genny rigged up to manually run on the dreaded lard now. Have to change the start/stop valves by hand but - it seems to lurve the old veg!
In the pic you can see the red pipe heater element. It uses about 17 watts per metre (supposedly) and maxes at 70C. This will be lagged ultimately. You can also see the heated copper pickup lance sticking out the top of the 'tank'. the element in there is 50watts. All this will be insulated so the heaters will gently keep the evil fat runny in the winter. The gen is running here from a puddle of melted lard in the tank. You can see most of it is still solid!






The lower filter in this pic is the diesel (start/stop fuel) filter. The red gauze one is the lard filter. Paper ones are too much trouble with thick oil gunging up and stopping the flow all the bl**din time!





And there is the filter with hot runny lard running down through just before entering the injection pump. Jobs a good 'un!!  (so far........ Roll Eyes )



Going to try and keep off grid as much as poss now as the installation develops.......

CYA buds!

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« Reply #81 on: July 20, 2007, 01:26:44 PM »



  Frotter loverly work keep it coming

 Quick question, you have had your turbine up and running a few months now, have you noticed any groaning or knocking noises delevolping?

 my turbine seem to have developed a knocking noise. very offputting and I can't work out where its coming from?

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« Reply #82 on: July 20, 2007, 10:44:13 PM »

Hmm - not noticed groaning. That sounds like bearing noise? Knocking - out of balance? Mine is not perfectly balanced, it has a period of some gentle 'bouncing' at low wind speeds but seems to smooth out at higher speeds. I am amazed the whole thing hasnt flown apart though, seeing it howl around in high winds!

Still messing with the generator innards. It has some complicated safety cut out wiring involving oil pressure/temp etc. This doesnt seem to be working at the mo. Trying to suss it out at the same time as installing the automation........... wires ahoy!!


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« Reply #83 on: July 22, 2007, 12:31:00 PM »

 Hi Frotter
 
          Yep almost certainly a bearing on its way out!!!  Groan is getting lounder and we now have a knocking noise!!

           Blades are as balance as i can get them , no violent shacking or wobbling so can not have been out of balanced blade that have caused it, turbine has not run unloaded for any lenght of time in wind, so I can only assume a dodgey bearing/bearings at manufacture.!!

 He we go again!! up with the scaffolding, off with the tail and the rota and down with the turbine body.

Guarantee time I feel!!

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« Reply #84 on: July 22, 2007, 09:22:38 PM »

Chinese manufacturing =  Roll Eyes Cry Angry Angry Angry Huh Huh

Cheap though!

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« Reply #85 on: July 22, 2007, 10:59:13 PM »

Kind of got the generator auto start system working - just need to automate the starting and shutting down on diesel to flush the dreaded lard out of the fuel pipes.....
Another issue we have is the big 48volt charger. When connected to the gen it pulls the gen voltage down under load to around 200 volts. This isnt enough volts to get the dumb charger to output its maximum (100amps) charge. As the batt volts increase the current then obviously drops further so we get the situation where our luvly (supposedly) 6kw gen is whirring away but only putting 20 or 30 amps into the batts. Increasing the upper rev limit pushes everything up but then we are 'racing' the poor thing. So we had a light bulb moment..... looking at the giant transformer in the charger Speecybloke reckoned we could wind some extra turns onto the output stage of the beast to up the output volts for the same revs. Whats he like!!??
Hence the following sequence of pics...........





Oi, Speccybloke!!! Wheres me bl**din transformer to???






Ok - there it is... the beating heart of an electron-pumping behemoth! (or something).






Never trust a speccybloke. Give em half a chance and they'll solder great long bits of wire onto your bestest transformers so they will.





12 extra turns of 10sqmm copper wire we're puttin on that blighter.





Yes, both sides obviously!  We're not stoopid.... Tongue






Does exactly what it says on the tin - nice clear satin varnish to try and stop them big wires a-buzzin. Tomorrow we should be able to replace the vital organ and see if the 'magic smoke' stays put in the wires.



MWAAHHAAAHAHAA!!!   etc.

Ahem.

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« Reply #86 on: July 23, 2007, 08:19:57 AM »

That's the trouble with these tree hugging hippies not a shred of practicality in them ! Cheesy

Good stuff guys.
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« Reply #87 on: August 24, 2007, 01:15:47 PM »

Hi Frotter,
Hows Frot Acres coming on. Now the good weather is with us again i assume you will be out and about tinkering.

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« Reply #88 on: August 25, 2007, 12:25:19 AM »

Ah yes - there has been tinkering..... MUCHO  head scratching concerning the mysteries of reactive loads and power factor correction...
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« Reply #89 on: August 29, 2007, 10:39:34 PM »

Ah! here we are then.... ok so the winding of extra wire onto the output stage of the giant transformer DID achieve results. The generator would be running full throttle and we were getting 65-70 amps out of the big tin box. Only trouble was the output of the gen was dragged right down to about 180 volts-not good. It seemed to cope ok though so we let it run on auto for a few days. Inverter would call for charge, autostart gubbins starts gen on diesel for a couple of mins the swithces to lard. Once inverter sees battery volts back up to preset level shut down is initiated - swithed onto diesel for a minute then stopped.

Here is the auto gubbins doing its thing.....




One day, after a few days we heard the gen running and noticed the load seemed to keep dropping out - ammeter swinging about and twitching and volts output also twitching about. Then it dropped to zero volts and just sat there revving....We had noticed that the gen was running pretty hard and the alternator would get HOT. Oooer!  Cry Cry
We switched off and let the whole shebang cool down for a few hours. On starting up the AC voltage would not strike/excite - yikes. It would only strike up feebly When over revving the engine by manually yanking the throttle open - double yikes!
I dont have a tech manual for this unit but seem to remember thinking it was supposed to be brushless. Just in case it wasnt we decided to see if we could have a 'look in' to see if any magic smoke had been released from anywhere...


The top of its skull is removed - tis indeed brushless self-exciting. Speccybloke checked the diodes on the rotor, theyre ok.





SOOOOOO..... then we decided to read up stuff about ac generators and self-excitation and discovered a whole world of arcane sparky knowledge that scared the bejeseus out of me! Seems we had allowed the required tiny amount of magnetism in the rotor to dissipate by allowing the voltage to be dragged down out of the 'sweet spot' around 230volts under heavy load.... Roll Eyes ALSO we had no power factor correction installed on our charger. Running an inductive/reactive load (ie transformer) straight from an ac alternator is hideously fraught with   back emf issues and extremely wasteful. We were losing 1kw of power between the gen output and the charger output. Mostly in the windings of our poor generator. Bah!
We tried manually remagnetising the rotor by 'flashing' 12v dc across the field windings to no avail.
We eventually managed to coax the generator back into life by revving it like mad to strike up then running it for a couple of hours a day with a 2kw heater attached. The plain resistive load has no power factor issues (look it up if you want - all nonsense!) so the gen could run at 230 volts and gradually reconditioned itself into a better place.

SOOOOOO.... then we thought - OK then lets correct the power factor to run this big transformer. This is done by fitting giant capacitors to the required value across the ac. At the same time we removed the extra windings to return our bad boy to standard.


Power factor correction crapacitors fitted....





Next time - er,
What happened next really....

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