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« Reply #285 on: February 04, 2008, 11:35:21 PM » |
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Good idea about the compression joints. They might leak slightly on the gas side, but I'm sure speccybloke could bung up the holes with some exhaust sealer.
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« Reply #286 on: February 05, 2008, 10:13:46 AM » |
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no gas leaks as the exhaust pipe is the 22m pipe going straight through the 28mm pipe. 28mm is the water pipe held in place with the 2 T compression joints.
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« Reply #287 on: February 05, 2008, 10:47:38 AM » |
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hello everyone,I have been following this forum for over a year,but owing to a glich,have only just been registered(thanks for sorting it out Ivan) In particular,I must congratulate Frotter and his merry workforce for his hurculean battle with (and sometimes against) the laws of physics! well done mate,you have achieved more practical developement than would seem possible in the time available,and kept me and loads of others entertained on a daily basis,with your cracking commentary'doing it the way what we does' In recognition of this,can I suggest we name a new unit of power,defined as 'volts x ampsx1 lb of lard,(obtained free or cheap )= 1 frot ?( free watt) My own efforts are mainly on paper at the moment,but the solar powered lighting in our cowshed has been a sucess this winter,efforts when the weather eases will concentrate on my integrated grey water/solar hot water replumbing of the house,if anyone is interested  |
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« Reply #288 on: February 05, 2008, 10:53:18 AM » |
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hello everyone,I have been following this forum for over a year,but owing to a glich,have only just been registered(thanks for sorting it out Ivan) In particular,I must congratulate Frotter and his merry workforce for his hurculean battle with (and sometimes against) the laws of physics! well done mate,you have achieved more practical developement than would seem possible in the time available,and kept me and loads of others entertained on a daily basis,with your cracking commentary'doing it the way what we does' In recognition of this,can I suggest we name a new unit of power,defined as 'volts x ampsx1 lb of lard,(obtained free or cheap )= 1 frot ?( free watt) My own efforts are mainly on paper at the moment,but the solar powered lighting in our cowshed has been a sucess this winter,efforts when the weather eases will concentrate on my integrated grey water/solar hot water replumbing of the house,if anyone is interested Bring it on, always good to see other ways of doing it.... |
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« Reply #289 on: February 05, 2008, 05:32:27 PM » |
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........can I suggest we name a new unit of power,defined as 'volts x ampsx1 lb of lard,(obtained free or cheap )= 1 frot ?( free watt)....
Hah! Naturally i think this is a Good Idea - thanks. Retro-lover that i am i think i must insist for younger (under 40) viewers that the old style lb be replaced with litres. This should make this, frankly useless, new unit at least easier to understand. Anyone who can work out how to best use this exciting new measurement we have been given is welcome to post their suggestions. And in recognition of this splendid piece of innovative thinking i hereby award Northern Installer the Sexy Pink Frot of Pulsating Power ***fanfare, commotion etc..**  Well done.  Now - if i have this right... Ivor charges batteries at average voltage of 50 say, putting out 55 amps usually. Today he used about 17 litres of the magical stuff so - 50x55x17=46750 Frots produced. Genius. |
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« Reply #290 on: February 05, 2008, 06:00:34 PM » |
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oops! slight mistake on my part;it should have read...volts x amps divided by 1 lb(ok 1kg) of lard = 1 frot thereby rewarding the frugal use of the planets lard resources with extra frots. (why hasnt this computer got a dividy thing,the calculator has one and it cost much less? )
Thanks for the pink accolade frotter,I think I need to lay down for a while after all this excitement!
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« Reply #291 on: February 05, 2008, 06:34:39 PM » |
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Gentlemen, Before we get over excited about the Frot, we should at least define it correctly. If a Frot, is to be a "free watt" then it is a unit of power. If you produce 50x55 Frots in 1 hour, then you have produced 2750 Frot-hours of electrical energy. If you start dividing Frot-hours by litres of lard, you are starting to get a number that relates to the efficiency of your "personal lard converter". The higher this number the better. Incidently, Mr. Lister managed 233 "killer" Frot hours on just 205 litres of waste veg oil If the calculator things is working, that equates to 1136 Frothours per litre. I have yet to try the lard that Frot gave me - I hear it's quite nice spread on toast with a bit of Bovril or Marmite.  Ken |
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« Reply #292 on: February 05, 2008, 09:39:54 PM » |
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Memories! we called lard 'dripping 'and it was a special treat for us kids,on bread or toast....mmmmm tasty!
Ken,your gasifier ideas are great,but how do you propose to safely store the gas in an urban area? another forum member mentions tractor inner tubes,but that sounds a bit risky,(we have difficulty keeping air in ours at times!) many years ago I worked on a victorian country residence that still had the remains of an acetylene lighting plant in the stables,it seemed to have a mini gasometer with weights to store and pressurise the gas,but there was evidence of at least one fire,and the whole contraption looked decidedly dangerous (wish I had photographed it before the scrap man demolished it)
Any other members with ideas for storing gas safely?
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« Reply #293 on: February 05, 2008, 10:31:51 PM » |
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Mylar bag (Weather balloon) inside a recycled plastic heating oil tank... one of the cylindrical 1250l ones would be about the correct size for the balloon... then fill the area outside the balloon with water &/or air to provide the pressure... not sure what you would do with the water when it filled with gas supose you would need a second plastic tank to store it in... OK maybe I should have thought a bit before answering...  |
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« Reply #294 on: February 05, 2008, 11:22:33 PM » |
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Are you suggesting just using the mylar as a gas bag,filled by the (slight)pressure from the gasifier,in which case there would not perhaps be sufficient pressure to displace the water? maybe suspending the gas bag in the (empty) ex oil tank just for protection from wind and sharp objects would be a better plan?but its a good starting point Steve  But any form of gas production/transmission/storage is potentially hazardous,and may be subject to some sort of local authority clampdown once the neighbourhood curtain twitchers get an idea something is going on(nearly said get a whiff of it) in reality,I cant see them sanctioning a plant of this nature;however,it amazes me that I can have a tonne and a half of propane sitting on the front lawn,without any special permit/certificate/method statement/fire engine/security force /etc being required!!! |
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« Reply #295 on: February 06, 2008, 01:32:01 AM » |
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Frot- hours?....reminds me of an old girlf....................best not go there, eh?  Stoppit, you lot |
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« Reply #296 on: February 06, 2008, 06:36:21 PM » |
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Have you got auto start on your genny? if you have was it an off the shelf controller or did speccybloke make one up?
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« Reply #297 on: February 06, 2008, 07:52:20 PM » |
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GTR 168 - as seen on this here link.... http://www.monicon.com.tw/03products/index_en.aspIts not perfect but it was the cheapest unit for diesels i could find. I ordered it from a supplier in the US - sorry cant remember who but i found it by googling... (like everything else ) It has dip switches to set up your start/shut down requirements and does a pretty good job i reckons! To do auto starts and shutdowns involving twin tank system took another 3 delay timers though..! X |
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« Reply #299 on: February 06, 2008, 10:17:13 PM » |
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Hehe - no they wouldnt melt... We would have to transfer the heat from air to water at some point though. Fine for dribbling warm air into a beetle but pretty inefficient i would have thought for our exacting porpoises. Only proper thread update is a pic of what happens when a small quantity of the Mystical Fat gets where you dont want it....  In this case due to careless manual shutdowns. The Lard gloops to the bottom of the diesel tank and invades the filter to cause consternation and mayhem. Again. Pff... Ivor busy making frots as i type...... xx |
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