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Author Topic: Green electricity supplier starts supplying "green" Gas in 2012  (Read 592 times)
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« on: March 21, 2011, 12:33:51 PM »

Greenpeace- energy one of  Green electricity suppliers  in Germany
are starting to provide customers with natural gas  and  will start  mixing it with  gas produced from Wind and PV (and other renewable electricity supplies ) in 2012

The technology and partner company  is this

http://www.solar-fuel.net/en/the-solution/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqeFSxN2wAk&feature=email


Bad google translation for Greenpeace-energy

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greenpeace-energy.de%2Fwindgas.html&act=url

All the Best

Billi



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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2011, 01:01:59 PM »

Some areas can already get green gas in this country. I believe Ecotricity does green gas.
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2011, 02:55:34 PM »

... actually its not biogas or so , its gas made from electricity by wind and PV power in times they produce more electricity than the national grid can absorb  Wink

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SolarFuel uses electric power to directly convert the energy-free raw materials CO2 and water into synthetic natural gas: In the first stage of electrolysis, water is separated into hydrogen and oxygen. In the second stage, hydrogen is directly converted into methane (CH4) with CO2. Here, the energy density increases by factor 3, and a marketable and manageable energy source is created which is of standard quality and which can be fed directly into the natural gas grid. The attainable level of efficiency is over 60 percent.
The SolarFuel power-to-gas process enables energy storage close to the thermodynamic optimum.
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2011, 02:58:42 PM »

I thought Chlorine was the green gas.
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2011, 06:02:40 PM »

This is nuts. People all over Europe are wasting lots of energy doing the opposite (producing hydrogen from methane). Until we have massively too much electricity the idea of turning electricity into heating fuel is madness from an energy-system point of view.   Bio-gas into the gas network, when it actually happens, will be interesting though.

No supplier in this country sells green gas - GoodEnergy does a gimmick where they pay a little bit to solar thermal/biomass installs elsewhere, but they're happy to admit that they only really offer gas because so many leccy customers (including me) wanted just one energy supplier.
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2011, 09:46:01 PM »

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This is nuts. People all over Europe are wasting lots of energy doing the opposite (producing hydrogen from methane). Until we have massively too much electricity the idea of turning electricity into heating fuel is madness from an energy-system point of view.

I agree somehow , but stored energy is nothing new  like stored hydro power stations

I do not know how that technology works and how fast gas can be produced , but  i guess one of the major targets  of the future of renewables  will be , how to develop a  stable all year round grid 

So it looks to me as an idea  (  have to have a closer look )

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