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Author Topic: Low energy new build (and intro)  (Read 2560 times)
EccentricAnomaly
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« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2011, 10:17:59 PM »

Actually, what I wrote was "My intention is to build to PassivHaus standards (or better) to minimise the energy input needed."

Unless you are actually using the PassivHaus package, etc, I'd suggest a much more careful wording; they're quite touchy about their trademark, I believe, and anyway you'll just confuse people. Why not say something like "build to standards similar to PassivHaus" or, as I do, just ignore the term altogether?

I have a similar project planned. Big differences are off-grid (primarily for similar ethical reasons which motivate some of your decisions) and high thermal mass in the form of a large water heat store within the thermal envelope of the otherwise thermally lightweight house. Similarities are no combustion, timber frame, high grade insulation (was going to be polyiso but met a possible builder (for the basic frame) who's into sheep's wool for walls/roof and shredded paper for the floor), airtightness + MVHR, clear undercroft over chippings (probably), tinkerability.

Something I've long decided against is UFH (except perhaps in the bathroom). Basically, the house shouldn't need enough heating to justify the expense.
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« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2011, 07:56:10 AM »

Actually, what I wrote was "My intention is to build to PassivHaus standards (or better) to minimise the energy input needed."

Unless you are actually using the PassivHaus package, etc, I'd suggest a much more careful wording; they're quite touchy about their trademark, I believe, and anyway you'll just confuse people. Why not say something like "build to standards similar to PassivHaus" or, as I do, just ignore the term altogether?

I have a similar project planned. Big differences are off-grid (primarily for similar ethical reasons which motivate some of your decisions) and high thermal mass in the form of a large water heat store within the thermal envelope of the otherwise thermally lightweight house. Similarities are no combustion, timber frame, high grade insulation (was going to be polyiso but met a possible builder (for the basic frame) who's into sheep's wool for walls/roof and shredded paper for the floor), airtightness + MVHR, clear undercroft over chippings (probably), tinkerability.

Something I've long decided against is UFH (except perhaps in the bathroom). Basically, the house shouldn't need enough heating to justify the expense.

I did avoid using the "P" word in the thread title, for the reasons you give, but I'll admit to falling into the trap of using the word as a short cut to quickly refer to the core features we were aiming for.  Your comment about the trademark and protection that this organisation apparently protects somewhat vigorously makes me more convinced that they see it as an income-generation scheme, rather than as a step forward in housing standards.  With more than 30,000 houses having been built to this standard now I'd have thought that they would have more than recovered the modest development cost of this tool.

The annoying thing is that prior to finding this plot we'd been thinking for many years of building an earth sheltered house.  The buried archaeology put paid to that idea, though!  Energy efficient earth sheltered houses predate the invention of the PassivHaus by a considerable period, yet embody many of the same core principles (high insulation values, airtightness, very low heating/cooling energy requirements).  As far as I know, no one has yet tried to turn earth sheltered housing principles into a money-making scheme, yet...............................

Your project sounds interesting, what sort of foundation system are you planning on using? 

Jeremy
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« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2011, 10:13:44 AM »

Your comment about the trademark and protection that this organisation apparently protects somewhat vigorously makes me more convinced that they see it as an income-generation scheme, rather than as a step forward in housing standards.  With more than 30,000 houses having been built to this standard now I'd have thought that they would have more than recovered the modest development cost of this tool.

The PHI has actually been rather lax about the use of the passivhaus term; rather too lax in my opinion. The consequent widespread misuse leads to confusion and commercial misrepresentation. I don't believe Feist and the other main movers view PHI as a money-making scheme, except in so far as to further their public-good objectives. You can make your own mind up by reading publications, although a lot of them are in German. http://www.passiv.de/  There are some English-language videos at http://www.aecb.net/feist_videos.php that give an impression of the man.

I too would be very interested to see your foundation detail.
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« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2011, 07:02:56 PM »

[blockquote]It's a fact that power generators can burn fuel more efficiently than domestic users as a rule, even accounting for transmission losses, so ethically it could be argued that using electricity is probably more environmentally sound than burning oil or gas.[/blockquote]

Sorry, that's just wrong. Gas is delivered with very high efficiency and then turned into thermal energy similarly at around 90% efficiency. Burning it to produce power (at least in this country involves throwing away all the heat so the best you ever get is 60%, and sometimes down around 30%, plus 7% transmission losses. So they may have a very good burner, but until something useful is done with the heat it's nothing like as good as a boring domestic boiler, (where heat is the desired output).

Other than that your project sounds excellent, and I heartily concur with your thoughts about proprietary SAP software and £140 spreadsheets. I would love it if you made something similarly generic but also freely licenced. I am keen to see much better free tools for building design.

I do actually think that the PHI are good people and pertly because of that I have forked out for their software (the second piece of proprietary software I bought in 20 years), but only in a most resentful fashion, because I had a build to do, and replacing it is going to take some time. I hope you find the time to do better.
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« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2011, 08:37:40 AM »

we have built a house to 'passivhaus' standards (although not certified since was difficult 4 years ago). As far as I aware its not a regulated term so I can say that.
we have a wood burning stove with external air supply and it works wells. I have heard of people having problems with the MVHR but we haven't.
Getting it tested for air tightness can be a problem, we used a university in the end but the situation is slightly better now.

James
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