9/11

[Amy]

On the 10th anniversary of 9/11, after all the documentories, conspiracy theories, discussions, trials, etc, what is YOUR honest opinion as to what or who dun it?

I must admit, Im a sceptic who loves a good conspiracy and ive seen the film about the way the twin towers collapsed in a way that ONLY demolition charges could cause, but,.......flip me, it takes some believing.

The sheer logistics of keeping teams of demolitions experts gagged, carrying out the work, and keeping it a secret are unimagainable, just like Roswell. If al queda didnt do it, why dont they prove it or is the publicity worth the blame anyway?
Besides that, who could have ordered it and what was the reasoning behind it? If bush wanted to start a war, was all that necessary?

Ive thunk and thunk so much I cant see woods from trees anymore.

Whaddya say?


Keep it simple cos im all thunk out

[djh]

On the 10th anniversary of 9/11, after all the documentories, conspiracy theories, discussions, trials, etc, what is YOUR honest opinion as to what or who dun it?

Whaddya say?

Keep it simple cos im all thunk out

I reckon it was the teletubbies myself.

[Amy]

Doh 

Why didnt I think of that?

[dtl]

The rhetoric of the 911 conspirancy theorists is particuarly compelling, especially on all maters relating to engineering.

I found the rhetoric of the film "Loose Change" particuarly excellent.

However, they missed several key issues, the following questions have never been answered and I find this frustrating:

1) How could a single missile destroy a battle station the size of a moon? No records, anywhere, show that any battle station or capital ship has ever been destroyed by a single missile. Furthermore, analysis of the tape of the last moments of the Death Star shows numerous small explosions along its surface, prior to it exploding completely! Why does all evidence indicate that strategically placed explosives, not a single missile, is what destroyed the Death Star?

2) How could any pilot shoot a missile into a 2 meter-wide exhaust port, let alone a pilot with no formal training, whose only claim to fame was his ability to “bullseye womprats” on Tatooine? This shot, according to one pilot, would be “impossible, even for a computer.” Yet, according to additional evidence, the pilot who allegedly fired the missile turned off his targeting computer when he was supposedly firing the shot that destroyed the Death Star. How did the missile make a right angle turn after entering the exhaust port? How could a missile shot in the vacuum of space–that would tend to keep going in the same direction as it was released, according to the laws of physics–be *sucked* into an *exhaust* pipe? "Exhaust" means to exhale or blow out... Wouldn’t the missiles have been blown awry of their target rather than sucked in? If it had been an intake pipe, then the “bending” path of the missiles could be plausible. Why have these discrepancies never been investigated, let alone explained?

3) Why did the captain of the Imperial Stardestroyer not fire upon the lifepod with the droids carrying Death Star plans? The "official story" says he didn't find the any signs of life. He said  "Hold your fire. There are no life forms. It must have been short-circuited." Why would he be looking for life when it was electronic plans he should have been looking for. Why did he jump to the conclusion it was "short-circuited". Is he a lifepod engineer? How can all this be just incompetence and coincidence? IMPOSSIBLE!

4) Why were a handful of rebel fighters able to penetrate the defenses of a battle station that had the capability of destroying an entire planet and the defenses to ward off several fleets of battle ships?

Etc, etc, etc, etc

[Amy]

One at a time please, otherwise I might be tempted to think your taking the pee.

 

[solar_cambridge]

I remember watching the tv at 8:45 that morning and seeing it happen live on CNN. It was unbelievable to see it happen, but those planes were fully loaded with jet fuel and once the fire started.. think of all the combustibles in the buildings. What was little said was the one that went into the pentagon. I think thats were a lot of the conspiracy theories were founded.

What was amazing was the the size of the rubble pile from the twin towers. However I went to the site the year later when it was cleared and just a big hole. And it was a f-iing big hole so that might explain it. Also think of all the asbestos that was dropped. Sure wouldn't have liked to be breathing that in.

[johnrae]

1) How could a single missile destroy a battle station the size of a moon? No records, anywhere, show that any battle station or capital ship has ever been destroyed by a single missile.

Plenty capital ships have been destroyed by a single shell, let alone a missile.  It just needs to get to the right place and that's the end.  HMS Hood was the classic British loss in WWII

[M]

1) How could a single missile destroy a battle station the size of a moon? No records, anywhere, show that any battle station or capital ship has ever been destroyed by a single missile. Furthermore, analysis of the tape of the last moments of the Death Star shows numerous small explosions along its surface, prior to it exploding completely! Why does all evidence indicate that strategically placed explosives, not a single missile, is what destroyed the Death Star?

I'm not impressed - you go to the trouble of furthering these outrageous claims, without any reference to our own galaxy's dealings of such matters.

I refer of course to the exemplary work carried out by professors Goldblum and Smith on this very issue, culminating in the destruction of a vast mothership by a single cruise missile.

Please don't muddy the waters by omitting such complimentary data just because it doesn't sit with your argument. Possibly your Dark side argument?

Yours sincerely

Buick Skylark

[Fintray]

Amy

You are two days earlier for the anniversary  

[Amy]

If bushy realy did make it happen just to antagonise the US into war, then its as mad as anders brevik trying to draw attention by killing his own people.

But, truth is stranger than fiction.

As for lucky missles, look how many people get a hole in one. Its a numbers game probability

[dtl]

Amy,

You are possibly contradicting yourself;

"Truth is stranger than fiction" = Things that really happen are harder to believe or more amazing than stories that people invent

[pdf27]

I must admit, Im a sceptic who loves a good conspiracy and ive seen the film about the way the twin towers collapsed in a way that ONLY demolition charges could cause, but,.......flip me, it takes some believing.

Really very simple - buildings are designed with a factor of safety of around 1.5-2 - in other words you build them 50 to 100% stronger than they need to be in case something bad happens. In this case it was hit by an airliner weighing around 160 tonnes hitting at a speed of 750 km/hr (208 m/sec) - giving it an energy of about 3.5 GJ. That's equivalent to about 800kg of TNT just from the impact alone, instantly applied to what, 2-3 floors? Add in a large fire fed by ~38,000 litres of jet fuel in this space (steel weakens dramatically long before it melts - at 600°C it only has half the strength it has at room temperature) and it would take a miracle for those floors of the building to hold. When they collapsed, the shock loading of being hit by the floors above is more than sufficient to account for the collapse.

This is the point we apply Occam's razor. So far as I'm aware, nobody but the most extreme nutjob conspiracy theorists are claiming that the airliners didn't actually hit the towers. If you accept that they did, then the evidence is overwhelming that they would have caused them to collapse.
For there to have been a controlled demolition as well the airliners, you must have a conspiracy that is both extraordinarily competent (to have never been found out after all the intense scrutiny over a decade) and extraordinarily incompetent (to not realise that the airliners would be sufficient to cause the collapse. That's a highly implausible combination!

[Mostie]

Aliens blew them up  

Oh... and they forgot to leave plane wreckage and dead people at the pentagon  

[Amy]

This is why I came to ask you guys. Logic and reason.

Many people saw the planes hit real time, not on TV, so it does beg the question, why the need to further mine and blow the buildings.

But,......what if Dubbya paid some nut jobs to fly the planes in? and just for added authenticity, paid a few others to be caught, trialed and imprisoned at Guantanamo?

Ok, if all this is too wacky, and it was a genuine terror hit, why the need for Michael Moores films and the whole conspiracy stuff in the first place? If its a genuine tradgedy, why not leave it there cos thats bad enough on its own.

More ginger beer anyone?

[greenhouseparos]

it's good to keep some perspective on things when the media has an easy excuss for filling news programs
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