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Author Topic: Can You Cope with The Truth About Your FOOD?  (Read 1234 times)
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« on: September 11, 2011, 11:10:05 AM »

This is for me a tricky one.
 
I enjoy this forum and there are some wise old sage's and fantastic wag's, and in general great information.

But my question to help me "pasteurise my milk" for more efficiency, seem to stir up the majority that responded.

So in the sustainability section can I ask for help?, or can I say, "Small scale meat farming".
 
Or just save my energy and say nothing? sad, because some folk me be interested.
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2011, 11:35:03 AM »

It's exactly the sort of debate we encourage - as it says at the top of the forum "sustainability" is one of our reasons for being here, so please, go ahead (I'm personally all in favour of pretty much "small scale" everything)
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2011, 11:51:57 PM »

Hi martin,
Thanks for your support but i will save my energy.
Best regards clockmanfr
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2011, 12:34:11 AM »

Woosie !
Dare you !
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2011, 07:54:56 AM »

We used to do all our own meat but now only do a small part of it due to other commitments.

We plan to return to supplying more of our own.
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2011, 09:16:57 AM »

I couldn't 'cope' with the truth about my food so was pretty much vegetarian for a couple of years apart from fish I caught or rabbits that I shot. Nowadays we keep pigs, sheep, chickens and have a freezer large enough to take a deer so we're sorted.

Once you've gone through the thrill of seeing something born, the fun of rearing it, the trauma of killing it and the pleasure of eating it, it's hard to go back to the factory farmed stuff.

Of course the vast majority of people don't have that option but if they opened their eyes to some of the practices that go on in industrial scale farming then perhaps they'd be more selective about what they bought.

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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2011, 11:43:41 AM »

some 30yrs ago there was the terror of the E numbers.my x was reading the labels on everything and anything and of course all our kids were started off on a well known brand of babyfood,the stuff you get in the little jars.it had everything a baby could need,nothing but the best,,untill,,they discovered that the seal on the jar was highly toxic,or to be more precise,cancerous.now that was a bit of a shock and i guess we felt a bit like tha african parents who stuff their kids with a well known brand of switz baby powered milk.
     i grew up with all kinds of dogs,fancy dans,working dogs,sheep and hunting dogs ,and dogs that could put the dinner on the table with very little fuss.i learned to respect them the hard way and would have as many bite marks on me as any of the rest of the kids.it was understood that if you messed with the dog,you got bit and got a slap on the ear to take your mind of it.our fair day was the first monday of every month and i do not exagerate when i say it was like the wild west,with cattle dealers and farmers roaring at the top of their voices and the town square living with dogs.
 so i decided30yrs ago to invest a year or so in raising and training a couple of lurchers.the peninsula where we lived had miles of unfenced land(ex lord letrim)which stretched down to the sea,around that time i also spent a couple of yrs gathering "slat maras",working between tides and building houses in my spare time.it was a good life.by the time the eldest b,itch was 18 months she was an absolute machine who could collect 6 bunnies in 10 minutes with the lamp,this was plenty for both ourselves and the dogs for a few days.the "warren"as the place was called, was like a giant larder,even the rockpools gave up big crabs and all kinds of seafood,like dulce a low tide.
   however all good things must come to and end,the warren was devided up into 48shares with each share being wired off,making it dangerous for the dogs to hunt at night.there were still many places i could go and the land owners did not mind me hunting their land,in fact they encouraged me.sadly some owners moved cattle onto their sections(something lord letrim forbade)and soon the warren began to look like a collection of giant sandpits,the cattle broke through the ecosystem and the wind did the rest.worse was to follow.a large multinational built a canning factory out at the very point,smack on the spot where the greylags rested before heading off to newfoundland. such is life. my kids needed their further education and i left it all behind, i still miss the curried bunny,kentucky fried bunny, the bunny grill.i used to get down on my knees and tell the kids it was chicken and they would pull my nose and say "your nose is getting  soooo long daddy".bunny stew with a good selection of veg and spud is your man on a hard march day.i guess the moral of my story is,,"nothing lasts forever"
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2011, 12:12:39 PM »

This is for me a tricky one.
 
I enjoy this forum and there are some wise old sage's and fantastic wag's, and in general great information.

But my question to help me "pasteurise my milk" for more efficiency, seem to stir up the majority that responded.

So in the sustainability section can I ask for help?, or can I say, "Small scale meat farming".
 
Or just save my energy and say nothing? sad, because some folk me be interested.


I don't think anyone got arsey in the thread about pasturising milk. I don't think anyone will get arsey if you ask about sustainable meat farming. There would never be any meat on my table were it not for what you call "small scale meat farming", so yes, it is a subject I'm interested in.

...although from your 2nd post, I suspect you're hunting from upwind.
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2011, 10:07:26 PM »

I started with "Small Scale Meat Farming" in the "Dig for ----sustainability" and was gently doing the story in installments. But all was very quiet.

To be honest here in France regards food the difference with the UK is enormous. I never realized the different cultrue concepts until i lived here.
What i recall with the local comunity, regards food, when i was growing up in rural Lincolnshire in the 60's and 70s is still practiced here.

Our Framer across the road with his 60 cow dairy herd, (sells his milk for the local Camembert cheese) does not shoot his male cows at birth, he brings up until 4 - 5 month old then he takes them to the slaughter house for Veal.
"Do i want one", since we get our milk every Saturday morning from his dairy, "hmm yes, thanks", then a couple of days later, "just taken 1 for me and 1 for you in to the abattoir and we can collect in 4 days time".
So theres me in my Mrs English plated car following his farm car, a beat up light blue Fiat punto, to a vast factory complex, i follow his lead and back up to the loading bays between huge artic lorry's. I Follow my man in to a very small office where are paper work is ready, but no office staff, and the stapler and scissors are chained, yes chained to the desk, (have to say brought back memories of my youth, another story).
 Off course this being France every one uses cheques, and me i have a wadge of cash to pay the abattoir fees, 130E, but they have no change so i have to get change from the workers excellently laid out canteen/restaurant, bottom line is here no customer service. Workers yes, customers are wrong and a pain but we are all in it together. France is still very much a Republic.

A chap appears covered with chain mail with 4 bits, quarters, of cow, its only 140kg in total but takes up the whole boot. Grudgingly they provide a bit of plastic to cover the meat. (we get the ear tag and offal, but not the spinal cord or the skull or brain). Get home to one of my buildings and start the long process of jointing up the whole carcass. I have done organic deer before, although the smell put me off Venison for a very long time. But our good friend Andrew, a professional Chef arrived and helped sort it all out. I am concerned about his methods,  Cheesy kept slapping the rump meat and saying "oh that's a lovely bit of tender meat" and "haven't done this since i was in training".  Flippin poor old freezer took nearly 48 hours to get everything frozen.

We now have enough for a year. The meat is very very tender and melts in the mouth and has very good flavours, we know what and where the animal was raised and that it had a good life even though it was short but at least it had a life.

A week later One of our male lambs appears ready jointed, approx 23Kg and its squeezed in the freezer. And now i have about 50 kg's of our carrots to get in the freezer. Poor freezer, yes i know what your thinking i have a UPS inverter and 24v battery on stand by, as mains electric is not that reliable in the winter months.

2 weeks time its the apple harvest, all our boys are in the apple fair parade and floats in the local towns, its a big thing here the connection with the "fruits of the earth".
And i will collect about 3 tons from our orchard and use the scratter, and the apple press, (biggesh job with oak slats get about 100 litres of crunched up apples in) then we make about 20 litres of apple juice and sterilize it and then about 200 litres of cider. (last year apples were poor so no cider, this year looking good, trouble is i/we will have to drink a bit, the cellar still has 50 bottles from the the previous year vintage).  In an English bub offered some English organic cider, it was bad, it had apple juice added later to give an apple flavour.

There you go, plenty of real produce but does any one want to know???

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2011, 11:52:37 PM »

LOL you have spare cider... bring it to Scotland, it won't last long  Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2011, 08:14:05 AM »

clockman,
         you are living the dream,be happy. gawwwwwwwwwdd but i love venison,,especially the sausages,
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2011, 08:41:17 AM »

Aye Biff, venison sausages are a delight indeed though don't ever make the mistake of adding red wine in the mix. I did it once and it ruined a whole batch, kinda went sour. Had to turn them back into mince and use them in chilli  Grin



Roaring for all he's worth just now in the rut but destined for the freezer after he's been hanging for a couple of weeks in the winter  Grin

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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2011, 09:36:08 AM »

biff, My boy's say Bambi burgers.

It might be a "dream" but the Mrs hates the winters, and reality can round your corners.

When my youngest was still under a year old, we got some chickens, (a large lorry arrives every 2nd Saturday at the local towns agricultural merchant, Agrial, with chickens, geese, ducks etc, for egg laying or fattening up), my boy's were delighted, especially as in the UK schools, chickens, livestock etc are seen as very domestic animals, well nearly pets, any way within a few days each had a name. A month later and we had a "Drive by", Mr fox, (also portrayed in UK schools as a cuddly animal) just ran through our property killing the 3 chickens right in front of the children and Mrs, result very tearfull all round. Now if the boy's see a fox, its a goner. Chickens and our farm animals they enjoy them but do not get emotional attached.

Plenty of small roe deer here and wild boar, and i try not to hit them with the car, as they make such a mess. The hunters here, well i wont say hunters in the proper sense, but the older generation have there shot gun in the back of the car and pop off at any thing that moves, a real older generation thing. So far we have lost our UK cat and a new kitten to the older generation hunter, who just got out of their car leaned over our bottom gate and bam!. Any way the real local Hunt, the boss is our retired butcher and sheep man, (hunting horn and charge around in beat up old trucks with the hunting dogs in the back, it amuses me), they know who shot our cats but just shrug. Bloody expense of chiping the cats, neutering etc, and then some old prat shoots them.
We now have 2 local rescued cats, one a farm cat the other a grey bully who picks fights with everything in sight, but they do the job and keep the mice, Glis glis, rats etc under control. A glis glis, to those of you who are thinking, is like a large mouse, (doormouse family) but has a very bushy tail and a black mask around its head and eyes, it loves our Hazelnuts and can climb directly up brick walls.

Its quite hard on the children, but it is real life.  
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2011, 10:17:01 AM »

A great friend of mine lives in the Auvergne, and confirms that deaths due to "La Chasse" are not at all uncommon, usually apparently greeted with a gallic shrug "that's life" sort of resigned attitude - not helped by the habit of "forming a circle" and firing inwards wackoold
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2011, 11:50:04 AM »

biff, My boy's say Bambi burgers.



Mine too  Grin  Grin

My wife could not eat the first pig we killed, my seven year boy couldn't wait to get the chops under the grill, she's come to terms with it and my boy never knew any different. He'd already helped skin and butcher venison but so had wifey, it's very different with something you've known for six months.

We've always named our pigs, even the ones for the pot, currently eating Ginger and Eddy, people tell you not to get emotionally attached to them. Me I think that if you have to detach yourself so much from what you eat, then you shouldn't be friggin eating it.

The more 'attached' you are to something the more respect you show it in life and death. I tried the vegetarian thing for a couple of years when I was clam diving but it just did not supply enough protein for such a physical job. Some days I would come over weak all of a sudden, a weakness that was quickly erased by eating a few raw scallops. It was however my body telling me to go and shoot a rabbit or catch some fish  Grin

Cheers, Paul 

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