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Author Topic: Solar Assisted Gas Combi Heating  (Read 1834 times)
stewpot
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« on: May 28, 2007, 09:41:56 AM »

I wonder if anyone out there has experience of installing and running such a system. Essentially I am looking for all the components - so direction there would be most appreciated. Cheers



Summary of System Control

1) PV panel (1) drives primary circuit pump (3) The primary circuit is a water/glycol mix to prevent freezing   PV electricity output is proportional to sun intensity. If correctly matched and sized, the pump provides correct flow rate for the given insolation and switches itself of at night
2) The primary circuit transfers heat from a collector (2) to the solar water cylinder (5). The collector will probably be an evacuated tube design The cylinder is an unvented twin coil design
3) The store provides pre-heated water to the combi boiler’s (7) DHW inlet   The boiler must be abler to change burn rate from a low or zero value to 100%
4) Should the solar water exceed (say) 60 Deg C a thermostat will divert cold mains water to a mixing valve upstream of the taps to prevent scalding. Thermostatically controlled mixing valve with temperature offset needed here.
5) If the solar cylinder temperature (Tstore)is higher than the return flow from the radiators – measured by (Tret) the 3 way valve (Cool diverts the flow through the second coil and on to the central heating inlet at the combi   Thermostatically controlled diverting valve needed here.
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6) If the primary circuit pump fails under insolation water temp will rise possibly to superheated steam (200 deg C quoted). Donot have a solution for this yet
7) If the solar water cylinder temp rises to (say) 70 Deg C the CH pump is energized to pump water round the radiators. Programmable stat controller with user defined offset (hysteresis).


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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2007, 08:21:40 AM »

Hi Stewpot

It looks like it is just a case of looking through the Forum searching for the information
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2007, 10:38:54 AM »

Stewpot

There has been much comment regarding the unsuitability of PV powered pumps with evacuated tube solar systems. The search facillity will find the threads.

I am unsure as to the positioning of the TMV (12) - the object is to limit the delivered DHW output temp to the taps...

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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2007, 10:18:33 AM »

Yes on reflection TMV 12's position ain't right. I have subsubsequently read the horror stories about the "melting" primary circ pumps. Apart from this I'm intuitively attracted to a design that pre-heats central heating water as well. On the flip side I'm thinking "why has no one done this before"? Do you know combi boiler makes that will allow 60-70 degC inlet temperatures? Cheers
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2007, 10:43:29 PM »

The diagram shows a twin coil tank, with a pumped boiler connection. So why not just forget the combi HW output and use the boiler to top up the cylinder?

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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2007, 10:56:55 PM »

Hello,

Paul's suggestion is a reasonable one if confronted with a combi boiler. Effectively the storage cylinder is connected into the CH circuit like another radiator, except that a valve controls access based on a cylinder stat. If you do this you should leave at least one tap on the HW circuit from the combi.

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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2007, 02:25:48 PM »

The diagram shows a twin coil tank, with a pumped boiler connection. So why not just forget the combi HW output and use the boiler to top up the cylinder?

Because it heats the water using gas whether you want any or not. For a low-usage scenario only using the combi to 'top-off' during actual demand ought to be more efficient. It probably doesn't make much difference in typical-usage scenarios. I'd love to see some numbers on this though. (We have very low DHW usage and I hate the idea of heating up a tank of hot water every day which will only get partly-used once a week - it seems terribly inefficient, but perhaps with sufficient insulation it actually does make sense - numbers anyone?).
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