Net immigration wipes out PV efforts?

[Baz]

News today that net immigration is up by 250,000. If they all plug in just a mobile phone and igizmo that increases generating needs by a megawatt. More likely they will use up to 10KWh per day from various sources so that ups required capacity by 2500 Megawatt hours per day.
A PV install averages about 10KWh per day but how many PV roofs are there - 20,000? maybe 30,000.
Really puts things into perspective.

[M]

But the net global effect is probably nil.

You could use a similar argument if a Chinese factory closed, and moved its production to the UK. Our industrial CO2 output would rise on a national level, but remain unchanged on a global scale.

Maybe 250,000 of us should volunteer to move somewhere sunny and windy, and go off grid to balance it all out. What's Texas like at this time of year?

Mart.

[Baz]

China doesn't come into it. It is the UK energy and co2 targets that have no hope of being reached at this rate which will mean increased costs and restrictions for us in a few years. Yes, shifting a few million to texas or just back where they came from would help but big cut in the breeding rate is the only long term solution.

[M]

Several points.

The UK birth rate is so low that it is only down to immigration that our population isn't stagnating and dropping. An ageing population has severe financial impacts on an economy.

Net immigration this year looks particularly bad, mainly due to a much lower emigration factor as Britons are staying put due to the poor economy and a less optimistic outlook.

The UK has lower illegal immigration than the EU or USA, but it is cited as a far greater threat to our future economy in polls of Brits, than in similar polls held in the EU or USA.

My Texas example related to British emigration, not 'sending em back where they came from'.

Lastly, setting up this topic as immigration v's PV is a little offensive, as the two are non related.

Perhaps I should go and sit in the quiet corner for a bit.

Martyn.

[GavinA]

how many PV roofs are there - 20,000? maybe 30,000.

more like 160,000-175,000 by the 12th Dec.

Apparently 10,000 pv installations were registered last week, or 10% of the total number of installations registered as of end September 2011.

[desperate]

This is a really stupid "Daily Tale" type thread,        it doesn't matter who is or isn't in the country, the PV continues to displace other generators.

Desp

[Cornish Dragon]

How true  Desperate.
Every watt generated is at least half a watt (?)
saved for  the WHOLE world.... (given the  carbon
foot print in its manufacture/transport etc)...

Half a watt that doesn't need to come from other
fuels..... Unless they decide to tax the sun

I think we must start to reinvent the word " local"
meaning we re invest our money out of the banks, ISA,
Tossers, Pension funds ( that will fail) and Tessa's  and
in to you, your loved ones  and your local communities.......

"Smart local grids" will be an option I feel in both towns
and the country side.
Just a thought.... 

CU
CD

[series530]

So, should we have people shot so as to keep the population down?

So what? Provided these people make a positive contribution to the country is it a bad thing?

[Baz]

Are the targets set for CO2 reduction for the UK in 2020 and 2050 based on per capita consumption or the levels for the country in 1990? Is there some special dispensation for people 'making a positive contribution'?

If the installation of PV isn't even keeping up with the demands of net immigration let alone birth rate and rising expected living standard what hope is there for making an actual reduction?

If you don't see that population expansion is the most important threat to the entire world then you must be living on a sandy beach with your head firmly stuck in it.

[desperate]

Even with heads in the sand it is blindingly obvious population is the problem, and immigration is the excuse numptys hide behind

Desp

[M]

Are the targets set for CO2 reduction for the UK in 2020 and 2050 based on per capita consumption or the levels for the country in 1990? Is there some special dispensation for people 'making a positive contribution'?

If the installation of PV isn't even keeping up with the demands of net immigration let alone birth rate and rising expected living standard what hope is there for making an actual reduction?

If you don't see that population expansion is the most important threat to the entire world then you must be living on a sandy beach with your head firmly stuck in it.

I know it's pointless but I'll try again.

'If the installation of PV isn't even keeping up with the demands of net immigration' - pointless comment, the two are non related subjects. Immigration doesn't add or detract from the installation of PV, and vice versa.

This reminds me of a Jeremy Vine debate on Radio 2 a while back. Rather than just discuss the pro's and con's of supporting the 'rebels' in Libya, he asked the following. "The cost of replacing a cruise missile is approx £250k, similar to the average cost of each planned school repair that was postponed. So should we be helping Libya or repairing schools?"

In reality the two are completely unrelated, but the debate turned into a pro Libya v's pro school education argument. Looking to create a dispute where there wasn't one.

'let alone birth rate' - I guess you didn't believe me, or chose to ignore me, but here goes again, Britain has what is classed as a negative birth rate, since it is lower than that required to maintain a population. To account for those that can't have children, or die before it is possible (childhood diseases, car accidents etc), a stable population (in a healthy country such as the UK) requires approx 2.2 children per female just to stand still. The UK birthrate has been rising steadily for a decade, and is now at 1.95.

1.95 is a negative rate, our population is growing because people are living longer, not because the birth rate is too high. If you want to criticise anyone, don't pick on parents, have a go at those selfish old people who refuse to die soon enough. Or the medical industry and health care professionals who insist on looking after us. Don't stop there, what about good childhood nutrition and those gits that work for the heart and cancer charities!

I suspect you may have lost the plot on this one, and sadly succomed to mounting media pressure that we should somehow be terrified of a 'johnny foreigner invasion'. Most immigrants (Legal or otherwise) are young adults, this adds to the workforce without the health and education costs of getting children to 16 / 18.

Please turn back now before it is too late.

Martyn.

[billi]

The immigrants  should bring  1000 Watt of PV instead of paying immigration fees http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/feb/28/immigration-fees-pay-ukba-cuts