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AndySussex
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« on: November 25, 2011, 01:36:44 PM »

Afternoon all. I have a stand alone garage / workshop with brick walls, wooden cladding, corrugated roof and concrete floors. There is currently no heating to this building and it doesn't attach to the house.

We use it for our fridge freezer which didn't fit through the house front door, and the washing machine.

When winter kicks in, will the fridge freezer inevitably have problems when the garage gets colder? If so, what is the best approach to remedy this? Can I insulate the fridge freezer itself? Is there any point to insulating the garage without adding in some kind of heater too?

Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2011, 02:16:44 PM »

Afternoon all. I have a stand alone garage / workshop with brick walls, wooden cladding, corrugated roof and concrete floors. There is currently no heating to this building and it doesn't attach to the house.

We use it for our fridge freezer which didn't fit through the house front door, and the washing machine.

When winter kicks in, will the fridge freezer inevitably have problems when the garage gets colder? If so, what is the best approach to remedy this? Can I insulate the fridge freezer itself? Is there any point to insulating the garage without adding in some kind of heater too?

The fridge/freezer will probably stop working below a certain temperature.  How low it will work depends on what refrigerant it uses: if the ambient temperature goes much below the boiling point of the refrigerant then it will probably stop.

For the fridge part this probably won't be too much of an issue since, if the temperature is low enough to stop the cooler from working, it's probably also low enough that your food will be just fine with no extra cooling.  But for the freezer it might be more of a drama.

For what it's worth, I had my fridge, freezer and washing machine in a (mostly) unheated shed last winter and nothing disastrous happened.  If I remember right the fridge did shut down when the ambient temperature got too low but it didn't seem to come to any harm as a result.  I don't recall the freezer being affected in any noticeable way.  The most annoying thing was, unless we were scrupulous about draining the washing machine after each use, it would tend to freeze solid and require a lengthy thawing-out session next time we wanted to use it.

Insulating the garage would indeed be worthwhile even without a heater, if you can afford the materials to do it: even just partial insulation would be better than nothing.  Insulating the fridge itself might be tricky since it does need some way to reject the heat from the condenser.  You'd need to insulate it just enough to stop it freezing but not so much that it cooks.
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2011, 02:29:55 PM »

You only need to keep the back of the freezer warm where the 'works' are.
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2011, 05:13:40 PM »

Andy, the crucial factor will be if the FF has 1 or 2 thermostats. Some of the older / cheaper models use a single thermostat in the fridge part. If the room is 'too' cold, the fridge won't need to work, and subsequently the freezer won't come on. Food in the fridge will of course be fine, not so good for the freezer though.

Even a stand alone freezer should ideally be a garage suitable model, as not many are.

As silly as it sounds a while ago a device came out for single thermostat FF's, involving a small heater that sits in the fridge, forcing it to switch on every now and again for the benefit of the freezer compartment!

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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2011, 05:15:53 PM »

I think I paid a fair whack for the FF and it was about 3-4 years ago. It is a big American style dual door one.

If I were to just insulate the back, I'm guessing that would be tricky since I'd be covering up air vents etc wouldn't I?
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2011, 06:12:44 PM »

An upright freezer is going to be easier than a chest one. Build a sort of cupboard on the back of it giving air circulation room and some thermal mass to hold the heat between runs of the freezer. If you make it big enough you can put the washing machine in it to stop that freezing. Even if the freezer is happy in mid winter it makes sense to somehow use that 1-2 kWh it puts out of its cooling coil rather than let it dissipate into a whole garage where its effect will be lost.
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2011, 08:10:53 AM »

Thanks for the advice. So you'd suggest something like a wardrobe without the front doors or base on it? Would that provide enough circulation, with just a hole cut in the back for the plug wire? How tight to the fridge should I make it? Do I need to extend it along the sides of the fridge or just to cover an inch or so of the side to encase the rear?
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2011, 02:03:54 PM »

Rear only as the sides can benefit from the cold, just to hold some of the heat in during winter, then move it out in summer. If it does seem to get a bit warm (30C) you could get a greenhouse window opener to provide a release of hot air.
However the thing is to get some thermal mass as the problem only exists during start up and if it has all cooled down by the time of the next cycle it won't help. When it is very cold there is no residual pressure in the gas so the pressure difference the pump has to achieve is greater so it needs more effort from the motor which might not make it.
It does make sense to make better use of the heat from fridges.
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2011, 09:01:01 AM »

Sorry, thermal mass in what sense? How tight to the fridge would I put this boxing? Should I make it relatively air tight or just a loose box structure? (I'm rubbish at thinking this stuff through)
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