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« on: January 03, 2012, 07:02:18 PM »

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Edinburgh recorded 102mph gusts and with us only 10 miles away a neighbours big shed roof came off and...

Smashed as solar panel
Damaged many tiles
Damaged roof woodwork
Dented/cracked the ASHP
Damaged a DG window
Guttering smashed
One side of the house will need repainted
TV aerial bent

Sounded like a bomb going off!

No power now since 10am so all our grub is going to be ruined too...

If it was not for that shed roof we would have been fine  Angry

The happy new year also brought the MIL in hospital and work mucked up so not been paid. Tis true, things com in three's...

Anyone else have issues?
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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 07:18:44 PM »

there has been damage everywhere i believe.
     we here in donegal have had winds of 100mph,wicked stuff which chucked scaffold planks and all sorts around our yard,apart from that we are fine but tomorrows papers will tell the tale.
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2012, 07:35:58 PM »

Sorry to hear that, it was bad enough here on the south coast, I can only imagine how bad you had it.

No power now since 10am so all our grub is going to be ruined too...

The food should be OK as long as nobody opens the door.

http://www.dalesnet.co.uk/safety.htm#power

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YOUR FREEZER

Without power, a full upright or chest freezer will keep everything frozen for about 2 days. A half full freezer will keep food frozen for about 1 day.

If power the power will be coming back on fairly soon, you can make food last longer by keeping the door shut as much as possible.

if the power will be off for an extended period, take the food to a friends freezer, or locate a commercial freezer (Your local friendly butcher perhaps).

Your Refrigerator - Freezer Combination

Without power, the refrigerator section will keep food cool 4 - 6 hours depending on the kitchen temperature.
A full, well - functioning freezer unit should keep food frozen for 2 days. A half - full freezer unit should keep things frozen for about 1 day.

THAWED FOOD

Food still containing ice crystals or that feels refrigerator - cold can be refrozen.

Discard any thawed food that has risen to room temperature and remained there for 2 hours or more. Immediately discard anything with a strange colour or odor.
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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2012, 07:54:26 PM »

Thanks for the replies.

I know it will all get fixed but the worry really does take the wind out your sales.

Contacted the solar and ASHP installers so far as I may need to get repair quotes for the insurers...

Turned off the solar and ASHP isolators for safety even though there is no power.

FYI - took 47 mins to get through to Churchill and they are basically only taking contact details to call back as inundated with 00'000s of calls. Blimey
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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2012, 11:36:11 PM »

We're the other side of Edinburgh from you, and it was windy as hell here too.  Lots of damaged roofs (I can see 3 from the living room window, and I saw lots more when I was out earlier), trees down, traffic lights damaged or blown squint.

Sounds like you've been through the mill, Stationhouse.  I was on to Solar Technologies with the winds at the start of December about getting a knocking looked at, but with all the mess going on then I've still not had them come out.  Hopefully they'll have settled down and will be out to see you soon.
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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2012, 11:57:30 PM »

Sad

Edinburgh recorded 102mph gusts and with us only 10 miles away a neighbours big shed roof came off and...

Smashed as solar panel
Damaged many tiles
Damaged roof woodwork
Dented/cracked the ASHP
Damaged a DG window
Guttering smashed
One side of the house will need repainted
TV aerial bent

Sounded like a bomb going off!

No power now since 10am so all our grub is going to be ruined too...

If it was not for that shed roof we would have been fine  Angry

The happy new year also brought the MIL in hospital and work mucked up so not been paid. Tis true, things com in three's...

Anyone else have issues?

Can you go to machinemart, local cheapshop, lidi,aldi and buy cheap 2 stroke genny ? usually less than £100 may run freezer alone for short period to keep frozen.
What about a 12v inverter (probably 800w min to start a freezer) powered from running car battery ?
Consider bigger standby genny in future (to run kettle / tv etc) or more energy efficient freezer (my miele says 60hrs no power !)
rgds George.
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2012, 10:47:19 AM »

Can you go to machinemart, local cheapshop, lidi,aldi and buy cheap 2 stroke genny ? usually less than £100 may run freezer alone for short period to keep frozen.
What about a 12v inverter (probably 800w min to start a freezer) powered from running car battery ?
Consider bigger standby genny in future (to run kettle / tv etc) or more energy efficient freezer (my miele says 60hrs no power !)
rgds George.

I have to say, since Stationhouse is not off-grid, having a generator handy just in case sound a bit survivalist...  Maybe that's just me Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2012, 11:13:28 AM »

I bought a 3.3kW petrol geni from aldi last year for just such an emergency, 120 quid, its been run once to check its ok and now lives in the garage waiting, at that price its paid for once by my insurance excess and the convenience of heat and light  - I hope i never need to use it but given the increasing severity of our winter storms i suspect its only a matter of time.

Sadly I'm down in Cheshire /N wales otherwise I would have offered it out on loan to help.

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2012, 12:29:26 PM »

hi moxi,
         having a geni waiting there is an exellent idea.having a parallel circuit to hook it into is even a better idea.
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2012, 12:47:17 PM »

There wasn't a very good forecast  of the strong winds.   The night before Met Eireann weather map showed 80 kph forecast for the nortwest and  about 55kph for the midlands.   The subsequent maximum wind measurement was 67knots ten minute average at Malin head and 91 knot gust  which is about 168 kph.    Their M3 buoy which was off the south west coast has turned up in Devon.     The North West  coast of Ireland and Western Scotland seem to be consistently getting  a bigger share of bad weather in recent years.   There seemed to be far more inland  storms in the past.     
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2012, 02:00:28 PM »

i agree david,
              they seem to be constantly under rating the wind recently,maybe they have a new forcaster in the met office.
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2012, 02:32:40 PM »

There was quite a discussion going on on another weather related forum about how late (in their opinion) the weather warnings/red alerts were issued by MetO and others...
http://www.ukweatherworld.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/88700-warnings-of-tuesdays-storm-discussion/

More wind and rain on the way on Thu btw for N& W England and S.Scotland - more MetO Alerts issued.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_warnings.html?day=1


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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2012, 02:35:52 PM »

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having a geni waiting there is an exellent idea

How would you connect it to the house supply though - without also "pushing" power down the main incoming supply line (assuming you are on-grid) - and at the same time telling the Solar PV inverter to switch on to boot - and frying some poor engineer fxing the line?

Or maybe I've mis-understood, and the idea would be to connect it to a specific set of appliances via extension cable?
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2012, 04:39:35 PM »

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having a geni waiting there is an exellent idea

How would you connect it to the house supply though - without also "pushing" power down the main incoming supply line (assuming you are on-grid) - and at the same time telling the Solar PV inverter to switch on to boot - and frying some poor engineer fxing the line?

Or maybe I've mis-understood, and the idea would be to connect it to a specific set of appliances via extension cable?

Three ways, as its likley a once every 10 year thing extentions would be best but method two would be a professionally fitted transfer switch.

Or method three which is really dangerous & not advised but people do it- throw the breakers and connect a double ended three pin plug lead to the genny & house socket.
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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2012, 04:48:25 PM »

When I have had mains failures at home in the past (pre-PV days) I did the following with a genny.

1) Switch off the main switch on your consumer unit.
2) Make sure your genny can cope with the load of your home - else switch off unnecessary stuff.
3) Start the genny.
4) Backfeed your genny into a mains socket (I have a lead with a 13A plug on each end) WARNING - plug the lead into the wall socket first and then into the genny.

I'm sure this method is breaking every reg there is - but desperate times require desperate measures.

I have never tried this method since I have had my PV. In theory the PV inverter would sync up to the genny and help power the load. I would be reluctant to try this though. So I would isolate my PV from the house before I backfed using the genny (not worth risking a £1500 inverter).

TAKE CAUTION if anyone else is in the house - they may inadvertently pull the backfeed plug out of the socket and expose the live pins.

I have the genny in the garage and use the socket in there to backfeed into. I can then lock the garage door so it doesn't pose a risk.

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