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« on: January 06, 2012, 07:15:09 PM »

from - http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jan/06/economy-environment-green-growth?intcmp=122

The theory that cutting carbon emissions costs us growth is bunk, in fact, it's an economic opportunity

As we enter a new year, the world continues to be in the grips of dual crises: a stubborn economic downturn with widespread job losses combined with accelerating global warming threatening vulnerable communities.

Many argue that dealing with climate change in the midst of an economic slump will hurt recovery efforts. The underlying reality, however, is quite the opposite. Not only can preparing for climate change offer opportunities for economic growth, it would be unwise to pursue one without the other.

Yet attempts to deal with the economic downturn and climate change have run into a seemingly intractable stalemate. This dynamic was clearly on display at the recent Durban climate talks, where economic anxiety rang through hallways. While the final outcome was significant, it was hindered by the weight of domestic economic and political conditions.

Breaking this stalemate requires hard evidence. Here we present specific examples of common sense policies that can promote growth and cut greenhouse gas emissions.

• First, energy has a substantial influence on both the global economy and climate. Energy expenditure represents about 8% of GDP worldwide, while accounts for about 40% of global greenhouse gas emissions through its use in electricity, heating and industry. No solution to the climate crisis is possible without a fundamental shift to low-carbon energy.

Fortunately, governments can make huge gains through energy efficiency, which can both drive growth and make a significant dent in emissions, given the right drivers and incentives. China, for example, has employed investments, penalties, rewards and awareness-raising activities to slash energy use among its largest 1,000 companies. These actions prevented the release of 265m metric tonnes of carbon dioxide between 2006 and 2009.

Phasing out fossil fuel subsidies, although politically challenging, would spur global clean energy development and generate growth. Countries spent a staggering $409bn dollars on fossil fuel subsidies in 2010.

• Second, forestry represents around 12% of global greenhouse gas emissions, while presenting another major economy-boosting opportunity. In the Amazon, for example, ranchers routinely fell a hectare of forest to create a pasture worth around $500, while releasing hundreds of tonnes of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. One win-win solution is to prevent deforestation where the land is worth more with trees than without. At prices of $10 for every ton of unreleased emissions, those Amazonian groves could generate several times more from carbon markets than from pasture.

Another solution is to restore already degraded lands. Niger, one of the world's poorest nations, offers a prime example. Reform of land and tree tenure and a programme to support regeneration of trees has benefitted 4.5 million people, increasing food production and farmers' incomes, as it creates new markets. Brazil, meanwhile, has about 300m hectares of degraded forest lands, with the potential to create agricultural jobs without clearing more virgin forest.

• Third, transportation generates about 12% of global GHG emissions and represents an opportunity for a more sustainable and profitable path. Around the globe, car ownership is booming, along with an expanding middle class. This dynamic is creating more urban gridlock and deteriorating air quality, as well as increasing emissions. While an expanding auto industry can be part of a country's economic recovery, investments in cleaner public transport have been found to generate even greater economic returns.

In the United States, stimulus dollars spent on public transport yielded 70 more job hours than those spent on highways, according to Smart Growth America. Meanwhile in Mexico, the government is pursuing an innovative transportation approach with policies and investments to scale up bus rapid-transit networks across the country.

Moving away from traditional approaches of economic growth will not be easy. Even where energy reform, sustainable forestry, and investments in public transit can be shown to be beneficial, powerful special interests are blocking progress in many countries. To overcome these entrenched interests, countries - especially the world's leading greenhouse gas emitters – need to recognize that addressing climate change is in their national interest and will improve public well-being.

The world will, of necessity, eventually move to a low-carbon future. But it is the countries with the political courage to act boldly and urgently toward this future who will be best positioned to reap the rewards"

• Manish Bapna is interim president at World Resources Institute. Vinod Thomas is director general for independent evaluation at the Asian Development Bank.
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2012, 08:14:40 PM »

Further to that,

How about QE3, 200bn spent on building an energy infrastructure, create shed loads of jobs and end up with a load of renewable and nuclear generation capacity.
It has to be better value than the banks squirreling it all away and paying yet more obscene bonuses


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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2012, 08:51:52 PM »

Yey Desperate for President!!
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2012, 09:59:34 PM »

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Thanks for your vote, but IF I were,   flyingpig   you would all get paid in cowpies   whistlie


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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2012, 07:18:53 AM »

Further to that,

How about QE3, 200bn spent on building an energy infrastructure, create shed loads of jobs and end up with a load of renewable and nuclear generation capacity.
It has to be better value than the banks squirreling it all away and paying yet more obscene bonuses


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Desp, who'd be foolish enough to try that? After the stock market collapse and subsequent great depression, FDR came up with a similar hair brained scheme to fix America's problems and 50% unemployment. Roads, dams, food etc - and look how that turned out for America!

Oops, just looked at how that turned out for America. I'll get my coat.  Wink

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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2012, 05:33:01 PM »

Martyn, as you say the precedent exists, many times over in fact.

I really believe it could jumpstart the economyand pretty fast too. A series of measures something like this could do the trick................well maybe flyingpig

1 Scrap the MCS and all its associated baloney, supply training for LABC surveyors and allow any kind of micro generation to earn a tarriff, subject to normal building control regulations and existing or similar PP laws. This would instantly allow tens possibly hundreds of thousands of DIYers and small builders/self employed sparks/plumbers etc to get installing.

2 fund a truly massive program of insulation on existing domestic properties, instead of ever tightening regs for new builds, again LABC surveyors to accredit. This would save vastly more energy, as there are vastly more old leaky buildings that will be around for another 50 years at least than new builds, which are running at about 75'000/yr IIRC.

3 IMHO build at least 10 big nukes on existing sites, as I say that's just my opinion, don't lets start another rumpus pleeeeeaaase, and beef up the national grid substantially.

4 There's an almost new factory down on the IOWight with a purpose built slipway onto the Medina river that until a year or two ago built wind turbines, oh yeah Vestas shut it down. OK so lets buy it and remploy the staff and more still and get it working again.

5 Subsidise EV's , a lot of the big car makers have developed new models but the sales are slow, they are too expensive at present for an individual to justify. But in the big picture they tackle pollution at source quite well, reduce our dependency on Flipping Flowery Sunhats esp as we generate more CO2 free leccy, and most importantly they will provide a huge amount of storage that is absolutely essential to any low carbon economy. Set against the cost of more Dinorwic type sites or gas storage, the cost of batteries are mitigated somewhat, but they are very flexible, in that it kills a couple of birds with one stone.

6 Scrap set aside and bring into production as much spare farm and common land into biomass production, there are many ways to utilise the stuff, and without doubt we will need a supply of vehicle fuels in liquid form, that could be one of them.

7Tell the banks and bankers, who undoubtedly wont like it, that they have lived on our backs for long enough, it is time to actually make a usefull contribution to all of society not just the privileged few. There are many economists out there that put a good case forward for dropping cash out of a helicopter as a means of getting money into the economy instantly, they argue that this would be more effective than the last 2 rounds of QE that have achieved remarkably little to date.
So if they whinge on about moving their business elsewhere.....................we'll pay your train fare to somewhere else.

I reckon that would leave enough change from 200bn for a round of beers.

OK it's not a well researched plan, just  a scruffy rrsed builders musings while plastering walls and ceilings, so DONT get upset.

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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2012, 06:52:17 PM »


OK it's not a well researched plan, just  a scruffy rrsed builders musings while plastering walls and ceilings, so DONT get upset.

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Sounds pretty damned good to me.

Some of FDR's plans were truly breathtaking in their forward thinking. People think the great depression came straight off the back of the Wall Street Crash, but it took 3 years of govt policy to cause it. They reduced spending and increased taxes to refill the coffers, and the economy collapsed.

I'm not having a go at any recent or present govt here or abroad, but it's pretty staggering that we entered a recession already broke. Govt's are supposed to go broke spending their way out, then re-filling afterwards. Nothing new about that, simple economics, tax a boom down, spend a bust up, and hopefully flatten the curves out a little. Now we get, 'please keep voting for us, here have some more money', followed by, 'it's all gone, we're all doomed'.

My first thought when the recession landed was 'guess we'll be getting the Severn barrage (or similar) now', instead we get 'cut everything and cross your fingers'. Dangerous financial games being played out now. Still could be worse, this could be Italy or Greece!

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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2012, 12:38:14 AM »

Can someone translate 'Flipping Flowery Sunhats' for me - I've seen a it a few times now and can't work it out.  I do wish someone would turn of the 'confusticator' on this forum. GBF doesn't have one and it's a definite improvement because exclamations actually make sense.
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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2012, 12:52:42 AM »

Sorry Wookey, Ive no idea why the filter substituted that for FF  (fossil fuels), it probably thought I meant "for f**k sake" but I only use that kind of language at work.

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