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« on: January 10, 2012, 01:12:46 PM » |
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Me again !
Now that the cost of PV is coming down, well even compared to when we installed the originals 2 years ago, I am thinking of adding to the system.
First of all the original setup is wired to a SB1700 (1.44kw array) and then into the MCB of the house. it was MCS approved so we get FITS. If we weren't bothered about FITS and wanted to simply add another 8 panels that our local sparky could install (possibly on the ground instead of the roof to save cost) would it be possible to tie it into the house without going through the SB1700 (I assume we'd need another inverter). Anyone who has done this Id be interested to hear your thoughts.
I'm assuming we could get basically a copy of what we have now, wired into the MCB ?
Would we also need to increase the battery bank ?
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2012, 02:19:37 PM » |
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If you're grid-tied, you'll obviously need a second inverter, and the output from that will have to bypass your generation meter. So to answer your first question, "yes", though you wouldn't need the generation meter unless it was being put forward for FiTs (you'd probably want it anyway, but that's another matter). As for the batteries, I have no idea how you're wired up there, so I'll sidestep that neatly thank you! 
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billi
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2012, 02:36:42 PM » |
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Hi Russ What is your battery size again ? As well i think the Sunny Island you have, has about 2500 max charging capacity , So if you go the AC coupling route again, not all of the PV might be absorbed from the Sunny Island to charge the Battery , when your use in the house is low But perhaps you can shift power to AC consumers via a relay when 2500 Watt PV performance exceeds  ?? But this depends on your PV size you have in mind I would say you are better off with a chargecontroller , but again , it all has to work safe with your dump load controller of the turbine Billi
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1.6 kw and 2.4 kw PV array , Outback MX 60 and FM80 charge controller ,24 volt 1600 AH Battery ,6 Kw Victron inverter charger, 1.1 kw high head hydro turbine as a back up generator , 5 kw woodburner, 36 solar tubes with 360 l water tank, 1.6 kw windturbine
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2012, 08:54:50 PM » |
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Hi bill Took me a while to dig out the info ! The Batteries we have are Rolls S-530 (525Ah, 24v, 12x2v cell configuration) just read off the invoice !
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2012, 09:09:07 PM » |
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I only find Rolls S-530 as a 6 volt Battery and the capacity is about 400 ah in a 20 hour discharge time (C20) so i assume you have 4 of those in series to built a 24 volt battery of 400 ah @24 Volt C20  To be honest , that is quite small 
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2012, 09:16:33 PM » |
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It is these little devils ! http://www.rolls-battery.com/pdf/pdf_rolls/s530.pdfHaven't a clue how they are wired together !! Sorry
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« Last Edit: January 10, 2012, 09:18:08 PM by russ_fae_fyvie »
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2012, 09:40:50 PM » |
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Yes the same as i linked the illustration ......  are there 4 or 8 pieces ? I hope 8 but think you have only four of those 6 volt batteries But then your invoice or better have a look at the estimate  is miss leading cause they talk of 2 colt cells The Batteries we have are Rolls S-530 (525Ah, 24v, 12x2v cell configuration) just read off the invoice ! If you have a 400 ah C20 Battery i would say its not advisable to have more than 80 AMP charge and your 1440 watt pv with your Futurenergy windturbine should be enough for that size Battery ( if i am right with your Battery size) Sure you can perhaps just get more PV and limit the charging Amps in your Sunny Island and/or in the charge controller of your new PV But on the long run i think that battery is too small for a family home
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2012, 07:53:22 AM » |
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billi, there are a total of 8 batteries.
Unfortunately this is another area I need to learn before we look at any possible upgrades, only thinking about it at the moment !
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2012, 09:14:34 AM » |
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Russ 8 Rolls batteries sound much better  so i would see no problem to ad more PV .... And perhaps think of ideas how to use the "overproduction"
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