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« on: January 12, 2012, 11:11:17 PM »

from http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jan/12/fracking-oil-west-sussex-caudrilla

"Cuadrilla's plan to drill test well in West Sussex leads to furious reactions at public meeting

After earthquakes in Lancashire and tales of poisoned water and flaming taps in the US, "fracking" for gas or oil in the English home counties was never likely to be easy. And so it proved when oil executives faced the fury of a village hall full of West Sussex residents in a clash over controversial technology that energy companies believe could open up major reserves of energy from underground rocks.

"What you are about to do will make our water beyond toxic!" Ella Reeves shouted at Mark Miller, the Pennsylvania oil man who had come to Balcombe to explain plans to search for hydrocarbons 800 metres under the Sussex weald. "It's about money for you, but for me it is about life."

Reeves was one of around 200 residents squeezed into the village's arts and crafts village hall to hear Miller, the chief executive of Cuadrilla, a multinational oil and gas company, explain why he might want to use hydraulic fracturing or "fracking" less than a mile from the village, which lies on the London to Brighton commuter line, just five miles from Gatwick airport.

The technique involves forcing thousands of gallons of chemical solution under high pressure into rocks to release oil or gas, but opponents say it pollutes groundwater, adds to greenhouse gas pollution and destroys local ecosystems.

The meeting on Wednesday night was the latest skirmish in the battle between environmentalists and the oil and gas industry over access to the UK's shale gas and oil reserves, which in Lancashire alone could deliver £6bn a year for 30 years, according to one industry estimate.

Supporters say it will improve the UK's energy security and the battle has intensified in recent months with anti-fracking activists scaling a rig in Hesketh Bank, Lancashire, halting work in November.

Balcombe laid on a more polite welcome, but after two earth tremors near Blackpool last year were attributed to Cuadrilla's fracking operations, the atmosphere was tense. A warm-up video screened by the meeting organisers about the toxic impact of the technique in America, raised the temperature to furious.

Miller and his two PR minders, all dressed in black, gritted their teeth as the film spoke of "red nasty water oozing out of the hill", "radium in waste products", "methane in drinking water" and how "our heaven has turned into our hell".

Fracking "threatens to destroy the environment and wreck lives", the voiceover said, adding frightening claims that the chemicals used in the US had been linked to bone, liver and breast cancers and disorders of the nervous system.

"I am going to be following a bit of a tough act with that video," said Miller as he took the microphone nervously. "I'm not sure I can."

He managed to explain that his company has acquired an exploration and development licence from the Department of Energy and Climate Change and that it only planned to drill a test well at this stage.

He said the pollution suffered in parts of America, where the fracking industry is huge and growing, represented "the poorest part of our industry". "Drilling and fracturing for natural gas is safe," he said to disbelieving tuts. "It about doing it right. Environmental incidents are rare."

By this point some in the audience wanted to hear no more. There were shouts of "you've gone on long enough" and "you're talking rubbish".

Anti-fracking campaigner Will Cottrell, chairman of the Brighton Energy Co-operative, claimed a 10-well fracking facility was "like setting off a 4.4 kilotonne nuclear bomb". Quadrilla said this was untrue, but the hall was in foment.

"You are in Sussex now and we will not be drove [pushed around]," shouted Alan Gold, 67.

"If you put fracking fluid down there at 10,000 pounds per square inch it is going to disturb our drinking water," yelled another man. "Go away!"

"Frack 'em and forget 'em, isn't it?" said a voice from the back. "It's all about the money."

"This is how they burn witches I guess," Paul Kelly, a director of PPS, Cuadrilla's public relations and lobbying firm told the Guardian. "I can think of dozens of oil companies who wouldn't put themselves through this in a million years and maybe they have it right."

"It has been pretty disastrous," added Nick Grealy, a former gas executive who promotes the shale gas industry for clients including Cuadrilla. "They were set up."

For many residents this was the first they had heard of the plans and they voiced worries about the millions of gallons of water needed for the operation in a drought affected area, noise and water pollution. Two young women spoke about their fears fracking would hinder their recovery from cancer.

Miller said the fracking technology used in the UK was designed to prevent pollution of water courses. He repeatedly said the well was only at exploration stage and that a further licence would be needed for extraction. He said the chemical used in the fracking solution was not carcinogenic.

Just one resident, retired Rod Jago, spoke up in Miller's defence. "Surely we should welcome any contribution to self-sufficiency provided it is safe," he said to gasps of disbelief from some of his neighbours. "All new technologies have teething problems. We wouldn't have trains or aeroplanes if we had meetings like this when they started."

A spokesman for Cuadrilla, whose backers include former BP chief executive Lord Browne, said said it was pleased to have been allowed the platform. "We couldn't answer all the questions and there was a great deal of confusion about some of the claims that were being made about America," he said. "In the European Union there are some very rigorous controls on groundwater pollution."
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 11:14:02 PM »

Makes a fella proud to be Sussex-born  - they hijacked them, made them look like the crooked fools they are, and ran 'em out of town!  genuflect hysteria

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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2012, 07:23:02 AM »

That last sentence is interesting!

A spokesman for Cuadrilla, whose backers include former BP chief executive Lord Browne, said said it was pleased to have been allowed the platform. "We couldn't answer all the questions and there was a great deal of confusion about some of the claims that were being made about America," he said. "In the European Union there are some very rigorous controls on groundwater pollution."

Is it a bad thing to have vigorous controls on pollution, of any kind? Surely this means that if approved, UK / EU fracking will have first met higher standards, thus proving itself. If it can't, then how is that a bad thing?

Martyn.


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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 08:28:15 AM »

Unfortunately, as we slide down the far side of Hubbert's Peak, we will have to accept ever more desperate measures to extract the oil and gas which remains locked in shales and tar sands - or do without. As we have no "Plan B" which can be implemented in time, we'll be seeing much more of this whether we like it or not...
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2012, 09:01:40 AM »

"we will have to accept ever more desperate measures" is to my mind the entire point - if we do, we will hasten our demise as a species - if you look at the unholy mess being made by the Alberta Tar Sands, and the fracking operations in the US, it should be obvious that already caution is being thrown to the winds, and should be underlining the need to be moving away from fossil fuels as fast as we can, rather than trying to wring every last bit of fuel out of the earth, to the extreme detriment of the environment.
As for "vigorous controls", these sorts of claims appear to have about as much basis in fact as  the veracity of "consultation periods"
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2012, 09:07:55 AM »

What people forget is that the "test" drill is actually the establishment of the drill head so Lancashire has already got a viable fracking base all they need now is permission to instal the compressor station for direct injection into the existing gas grid which was installed for the morecambe bay gas field.
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2012, 09:18:24 AM »

Unfortunately, as we slide down the far side of Hubbert's Peak, we will have to accept ever more desperate measures to extract the oil and gas which remains locked in shales and tar sands - or do without. As we have no "Plan B" which can be implemented in time, we'll be seeing much more of this whether we like it or not...

Have to agree. Much as I'd like a swift solution, it ain't gonna happen. Give and take perhaps.

No plan B, means the fossil fuel lobby have to accept having renewables rammed down their throats, so those of us pro-renewables, have to accept that in the short/med term, things could get a little messy. I simply hope the short/med term is acceptable, perhaps less than 20 years, and doesn't make things too much worse.

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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2012, 09:18:42 AM »

"we will have to accept ever more desperate measures" is to my mind the entire point - if we do, we will hasten our demise as a species - if you look at the unholy mess being made by the Alberta Tar Sands, and the fracking operations in the US, it should be obvious that already caution is being thrown to the winds, and should be underlining the need to be moving away from fossil fuels as fast as we can, rather than trying to wring every last bit of fuel out of the earth, to the extreme detriment of the environment.
As for "vigorous controls", these sorts of claims appear to have about as much basis in fact as  the veracity of "consultation periods"

Fully agree Martin. The problem is, we can see what's coming, but still we procrastinate. The longer we dilly-dally, the more draconian will be the measures needed to ensure our survival, post peak oil. Any government attempting to do what's already required to wean us off oil would be lynched - and the longer we delay, the more extreme will be the only options available. Also, it's human nature not to panic except in the face of immediate danger. Yes, we as a species will attempt to do anything to preserve our current, energy hungry, lifestyle and that includes deep water drilling, plundering the arctic wildlife reserve, exploiting tar sands and fracking in West Sussex.

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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2012, 02:13:23 PM »

I am sure there are many outside this forum who consider "Fracking in West Sussex and the Home Counties" to be just another example of the permissive society gone bad. Shocked
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2012, 10:43:46 PM »

Classic case of Nimbyism.

There is supposed to be a rich source of shale gas under the Weald, so if the Lancashire field is developed, so will the one in Sussex.

The resource belongs to the crown, so why not stick a great big derrick on the top of the Royal Ashdown Forest. Not much of a forest these days.

The site in Lancashire belongs to the Duchy, so the precedent is already there.

The locals can object all they like but it is going to happen.

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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2012, 10:05:50 AM »

Phillip

I totally agree it will be going ahead. It was a done deal prior the current drilling which was used to establish the quantity of gas available. The previous drilling by BP had already established the area of the field.
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2012, 11:14:32 AM »

Yes, it will probably (sadly) happen - as the present government has proved time after time, they do the deals, pocket the brown envelopes and hand down their decisions from on high, deliberately avoiding and ignoring consultations, representations to MPs and innumerable petitions - so far we have proven useless badger culls, cuts in FITs before the end of  the consultation period, the removal of virtually all animal welfare legislation for farmers (along with removal of planning restrictions and pesticide controls), a "free for all" for the construction industry, building of ludicrously expensive nuke plants, and coming shortly to a field near you, GM frankencrap (thanks to concerted lobbying by "Big Ag Megacorp" in the form of the US government)

I live in East Sussex (still on the Weald) and would bitterly resist any attempts to allow fracking in this neck of the woods - as I have already done when it was announced for the frozen wastes of the North  - which rather gives the lie to accusations of "Nimbyism" - it is arguably a pretty filthy technology that has already caused a great many problems in the US, and the present shower in power are trying to steamroller it in. I know just how fragile water supplies are in this part of the Weald - we often get "water cuts" due to fractured pipes, and the "underground water" is very vulnerable to man's activities - we have a well that is nowadays intermittently "dry" thanks to water boreholes being drilled a few miles away, which does not augur well for potential leakages, and the ability of contaminants to "travel" in the area..........
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2012, 03:51:31 PM »

Probably irrelevant (as usual), but this reminds me of something that surprised / scared me years ago.

Whilst doing admin work for the Welsh Office Environment Division, water regs (I was civil service admin, so no actual expertise, we would hire that in). Severn Trent drilled an exploratory test well and under a test licence, pumped a huge amount of water (can't remember the area, but this would have been mid(ish) 90's). they were looking to see if they could use an aquifer for additional water needs.

During the test pumping period (1 or 2 months) a load of locals complained of holes appearing, several wells lost all there water, and several imploded. Then a hole appeared in a field, photos show it was about 100ft by 30ft by 20ft deep (from memory).

Severn Trent concluded these were a co-incidence as the two aquifers were not linked.

What worried me, was the independent report (and it really was, no brown envelopes, honest), also concluded that they were not linked, however it did say, that there had to be some unknown link as the timings and effect were spectacular.

Struck me as incredible that the experts, and real experts, not having a go at them, couldn't find a link. I worry that such things are sometimes just a little too complicated for us to fully plan and process.

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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2012, 01:45:36 PM »

An “earthquake” in Blackpool is somewhat biased language. The force of the 2 “earthquakes” attributed to the fracturing was rated at 1.3 and 2 on the Richter scale. Wiki states this is the same as force of 2 and 15 kilos of TNT (note, kilos as in bag of sugar, not kilotons as in nuclear bombs….). There are 20 to 30 tremours in the UK every year (and well before this latest onshore gas exploration).

Please can we accept that we are not at peak oil. I am sure it will run out some time but esteemed and worth  people have been constantly predicting this is from the start of the last century, and all have clearly been wrong. A remember lots of worthies at the start of this century (millennium?) stating that the really impact of peak oil would arrive in 2005. Also a nice bit in the Sunday Times today suggesting there is twice as much unexploited methane deposits around the world than all the gas, oil and coal combined.

PS Like to photo of the Sussex protestors, it does rather confirm the view that the county is God’s waiting room. Are you there Martin?
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2012, 02:05:14 PM »

Absolutely - and often shop in Bexhill, which I believe has the highest average age in the UK-  -which ironically loudly proclaims "home of UK motor racing" on the town nameboards as you enter - only to be slowed down by one of the local residents weaving their way along at 18mph in their "racing pedigree" Honda ralph

I was under the impression we had passed "peak oil" - if we haven't, even more reason not to rush to use proven dangerous technologies.......
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