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Author Topic: Wind farms can affect local weather patterns  (Read 236 times)
SimonHobson
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« on: February 06, 2012, 10:44:03 PM »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11470261

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Wind farms can affect local weather patterns
By Katia Moskvitch
Science reporter, BBC News

One of the solutions would be changing the rotor design

Wind farms, especially big ones, generate turbulence that can significantly alter air temperatures near the ground, say researchers.

As turbines often stand on agricultural land, these changes could in turn affect crop productivity.

In the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), the team says the impact could be reduced by changing rotor design.

Another option would be to site farms in areas with high natural turbulence.

The world's very first wind farm was set up in southern New Hampshire, US, in 1980.

Almost a decade later, in 1989, a meteorological field study conducted on a wind farm in San Gorgonio, California, gathered temperature data over a period of almost two months.

This data formed the basis of the current study.

The team, led by Somnath Baidya Roy from the University of Illinois, analysed the information - seemingly, "the only meteorological field campaign conducted in an operational wind farm".

The scientists also conducted multiple computer simulations of a wind farm using a climate model called RAMS (Regional Atmospheric Modeling System).

The research showed that, depending on the natural air conditions, mixing the air with a turbine's rotor would either result in a warming or a cooling near the surface.


Crops grown around turbines could be affected
"This turbulence leads to a warming near the surface at night and a cooling during the day," Dr Roy told BBC News.

He added that the effects were in the range of ‐0.4 to 1.5C.

To reduce this turbulence effect and therefore the impact on the ground temperature, the authors suggest two possible solutions.

One is changing the rotors - possibly a rather expensive strategy, but, argue the scientists, "designing new rotors that generate less turbulence in their wakes also increases the productivity of wind farms".

And the second tactic would be moving the wind farm in question to a different site, with high natural turbulence.

Fossil fuels
But Jonathan Scurlock, chief adviser on climate change and renewable energy at the National Farmers Union, said that using wind energy was "one of many measures, which can be [used] to mitigate climate change".

"The major threats to agriculture in terms of changing the air temperature come directly from the fossil fuel industry and deforestation, increasing CO2 concentration in the atmosphere," he added.

"Farmers have got far more to fear from … well-known climatic processes driven by fossil fuel emissions than anything that is going to come as a consequence of deploying wind power."

But Dr Roy noted that even though wind farms were unlikely to have an effect on global climate change, "the impacts on local climate can be large".

He also said that the study was not about comparing wind power to any other technology, but about considering and addressing possible side effects of this green energy.

"Wind energy is likely to be a part of the solution of the global warming problem," he said.

"Often, in a rush to implement new technologies, we ignore possible side‐effects that may show up in the future.

"As a strong proponent of renewable energy, I am interested in making sure that the technology is properly implemented, [to ensure] long term sustainability of wind power by helping operators and utility companies to indentify impacts of wind farms on local weather and if necessary, take appropriate steps to mitigate these effects."
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2012, 10:48:37 PM »

new scientist:-

The idea that we can draw endless supplies of clean energy from the wind and waves just doesn't add up




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UPDATE, April 6: This article has elicited a considerable amount of interest, and some criticism. We always welcome discussions of the stories we publish. Some readers felt the original headline (Wind and wave energies are not renewable after all) was misleading, so to address these concerns we have changed it. We have also been made aware of a wider debate about Kleidon's research that we did not address in the original article: we will continue to follow this issue and report back on what we find.

Editorial: "The sun is our only truly renewable energy source"

The idea that we can draw endless supplies of clean energy from the wind and waves just doesn't add up

WITNESS a howling gale or an ocean storm, and it's hard to believe that humans could make a dent in the awesome natural forces that created them. Yet that is the provocative suggestion of one physicist who has done the sums.

He concludes that it is a mistake to assume that energy sources like wind and waves are truly renewable. Build enough wind farms to replace fossil fuels, he says, and we could seriously deplete the energy available in the atmosphere, with consequences as dire as severe climate change.

Axel Kleidon of the Max Planck Institute for Biogeochemistry in Jena, Germany, says that efforts to satisfy a large proportion of our energy needs from the wind and waves will sap a significant proportion of the usable energy available from the sun. In effect, he says, we will be depleting green energy sources. His logic rests on the laws of thermodynamics, which point inescapably to the fact that only a fraction of the solar energy reaching Earth can be exploited to generate energy we can use.

When energy from the sun reaches our atmosphere, some of it drives the winds and ocean currents, and evaporates water from the ground, raising it high into the air. Much of the rest is dissipated as heat, which we cannot harness.

At present, humans use only about 1 part in 10,000 of the total energy that comes to Earth from the sun. But this ratio is misleading, Kleidon says. Instead, we should be looking at how much useful energy - called "free" energy in the parlance of thermodynamics - is available from the global system, and our impact on that.

Humans currently use energy at the rate of 47 terawatts (TW) or trillions of watts, mostly by burning fossil fuels and harvesting farmed plants, Kleidon calculates in a paper to be published in Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society. This corresponds to roughly 5 to 10 per cent of the free energy generated by the global system.

"It's hard to put a precise number on the fraction," he says, "but we certainly use more of the free energy than [is used by] all geological processes." In other words, we have a greater effect on Earth's energy balance than all the earthquakes, volcanoes and tectonic plate movements put together.

Radical as his thesis sounds, it is being taken seriously. "Kleidon is at the forefront of a new wave of research, and the potential prize is huge," says Peter Cox, who studies climate system dynamics at the University of Exeter, UK. "A theory of the thermodynamics of the Earth system could help us understand the constraints on humankind's sustainable use of resources." Indeed, Kleidon's calculations have profound implications for attempts to transform our energy supply.

Of the 47 TW of energy that we use, about 17 TW comes from burning fossil fuels. So to replace this, we would need to build enough sustainable energy installations to generate at least 17 TW. And because no technology can ever be perfectly efficient, some of the free energy harnessed by wind and wave generators will be lost as heat. So by setting up wind and wave farms, we convert part of the sun's useful energy into unusable heat.

"Large-scale exploitation of wind energy will inevitably leave an imprint in the atmosphere," says Kleidon. "Because we use so much free energy, and more every year, we'll deplete the reservoir of energy." He says this would probably show up first in wind farms themselves, where the gains expected from massive facilities just won't pan out as the energy of the Earth system is depleted.

Using a model of global circulation, Kleidon found that the amount of energy which we can expect to harness from the wind is reduced by a factor of 100 if you take into account the depletion of free energy by wind farms. It remains theoretically possible to extract up to 70 TW globally, but doing so would have serious consequences.

Although the winds will not die, sucking that much energy out of the atmosphere in Kleidon's model changed precipitation, turbulence and the amount of solar radiation reaching the Earth's surface. The magnitude of the changes was comparable to the changes to the climate caused by doubling atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide (Earth System Dynamics, DOI: 10.5194/esd-2-1-2011).
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2012, 10:55:02 PM »

 banghead banghead banghead banghead banghead banghead banghead

will there really be that much mixing over 145 meters (you don't see many onshore turbines taller than that in order to dodge the requirement for aviation lighting and planning regs).

It would also be REALLY localised, it doesn't take that long for the wake to recover.
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2012, 11:21:18 PM »

I think the way it has been presented is skewed - of course turbines will have an effect - but if you put them up against the damage that will be done if we don't use them, it's a "no contest, what's the fuss about" thing...

"the study was not about comparing wind power to any other technology," - 'nuff said!
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2012, 11:28:25 PM »

I think the way it has been presented is skewed - of course turbines will have an effect - but if you put them up against the damage that will be done if we don't use them, it's a "no contest, what's the fuss about" thing...

"the study was not about comparing wind power to any other technology," - 'nuff said!

I find it hard to believe that it would have a noticeable effect on crop productivity.

Let's face it wind turbines are insignificant when you compare them with thermal power stations that literally pump GW of heat into the surrounding areas along with steam and particulates that could seed clouds.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2012, 11:42:40 PM »

 We seem to be missing the point again....

 I lived in Wales for 20 odd years & all the turbines I saw were on the top of hills, were it was windy, & all you could grow there were sheep.

 From my experience, & from talking to the sheep's owner, there was no discernible degradation in the flock as a result of sharing there field with the turbines.

 Get out there & ask questions & stop quoting media stuff....
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2012, 12:08:53 AM »

According to the Australians it is the other way round, agriculture  damages the production from wind turbines.   It is better to have sheep than cattle in the fields.   
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2012, 12:20:29 AM »

luckily heather and grass is pretty immune to temperature fluctuations of -0.5+1.5 degrees.
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