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Antman
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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2008, 10:29:26 AM »

If people are so interested in this magical term 'payback time'  they should be Investing in Nucular power Stations

No chance. There will never be any 'payback' in the economical sense from nuclear energy. None of us curently know the true 'costs' of safe disposal of the massive quantity of nuclear waste that the world is creating in order to satisfy their need for energy. Nor do most people seem to appreciate the risks associated with it.
And none of us here know will ever know those risks as we will all be dead and buried ourselves by the time the s hits the fan.

The only known 'payback' on nuclear energy is the potential ways in which it could 'bite back' at future generations. But then that's not our problem is it  Angry

Nuclear energy is a short-term selfish solution to a problem that has been ignored for too long.

Sorry - only as I see it!

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2008, 10:32:01 AM »

Hello Rhys,

VAT on installations of solar thermal installations, including ancilliary equipment, is already chargeable at 5% only. If your installer is charging you at 17.5% then they may be making a nice little extra, since they will only be required to forward 5% of the charge to HMRC. Zero rating would be better and would improve the payback, but perhaps not by as much presented in your analysis.

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Yes but I was looking at the DIY aspect. Wookey has said it all.
If a simple set of parts for a retrofit system ( as plug and play as possible ) could be put together, with no need to pay building control £170, and the vat man £200, take up might be just a little better and the self installs might be safer!!
The closest I could get to this was Navitron - the payback wasn't that important - but it played a part in prioritising.
If I had been really logical more insulation first, would have been a better option £ for £.
Still it makes me feel good every time oil prices go up 40%.
And I'd rather spend money on kit like this, than other forms of entertainment - most people don't and won't - till either Oil prices rise or installation costs, can at least be seen as a reasonable investment.
New build is very different - the payback over the life of the system and the house is virtually there already. All new houses should have solar or other renewables, and that is now happening. The 10% renewables required by many planning authorities, in new housing, can often best be met with solar.
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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2008, 06:13:59 PM »

This is my point Antman, the only relevent payback time that we should worry about is the time any piece of equipment takes to make its production carbon neutral.
 With the state of this planet monetary payback is irrelevant and misleading and I say again if you are interested in making lots of money then find something else to invest in.
Sorry to highjack the topic but its how I feel
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