navitron
 
Renewable Energy and Sustainability Forum
UK's most popular Renewable Energy Forum February 09, 2012, 04:46:49 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: Anyone wishing to register as a new member on the forum is strongly recommended to use a "proper" email address - following recent spam/hack attempts on the forum, all security is set to "high", and "disposable" email addresses like Gmail, Yahoo and Hotmail tend to be viewed with suspicion, and the application rejected if there is any doubt whatsoever
 
Recent Articles: Yingli Green Energy's PV Module Ranks No.2 in TUV Rheinland Energy Yield Test | Navitron Solar Showers at Glastonbury for Year 5! | Lights go on in Sierra Leone
   Home   Help Search Login Register  
Pages: 1 ... 13 14 15 16 [17] 18 19 20   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Solar Heated Water for Washing Machines with a Cold Feed only.  (Read 41885 times)
daftlad
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1708



« Reply #240 on: June 30, 2009, 03:55:21 PM »

Tony
Do you have an opinion on putting relays and timers into a washing machine?
It occurs that the vibration etc may be a problem?
laters
Logged

I WILL KEEP BANGING ON ABOUT MASONRY STOVES
tony.
Guest
« Reply #241 on: June 30, 2009, 04:02:54 PM »

With the relay being the plug in type,i might wrap a ty rap around it and the base to prevent it wiggling loose.

ring crimps for all connections, maybe in a ip box in case it goes pete tong.

regards  tony
Logged
Greenbeast
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 929


« Reply #242 on: June 30, 2009, 05:35:55 PM »

good idea.

i think i need to investigate my machine a bit more.
i ran it with the lid off and connected to hot to time it today, it takes about 5-6 minutes to finish filling (it stops about 6-8 times)

however it seemed to use the opposite rubber hose than i thought for most of the filling and rinsing, and then uses both near the end.

i think i need to take the lid off the draw to see where the water goes
Logged
Brandon
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1246



« Reply #243 on: June 30, 2009, 07:31:16 PM »

that's it... get the back off it...

Just a thought, could the whole caboodle be switched when the cylinder gets up to a desired temp, so the machine would need to be switched on by a stat on the cylinder, would ensure that your post work shower gets the first dibs on the hot water.

Think the machine would need to be an older mechanical type, so that it will get up and go when it gets power.... hmmm
Logged

changing the world, one roof at a time...

"We can't be B&Q astroturfers. That's one conspiracy theory too far. You should cut down on the pot." - Wookey
tony.
Guest
« Reply #244 on: June 30, 2009, 09:40:32 PM »

rs sell timer modules, the same size as a mcb.

they have selectable times from 1 sec to 15 hours simply by turning little screw potentiometers on the front, seconds, hours, multiply by, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0

We have used them on a number of panels, that are activating a pump via a momentary push switch, 230v or volt free input.

I dont have my catalogues handy at the moment and i find rs on line a pain.

i think they cost from 30-100 quid depending on the spec of the unit.

regards

tony
Logged
bmike
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 26


« Reply #245 on: June 30, 2009, 10:32:51 PM »

How about this for an idea. If this has already been discussed then I apologise in advance.

Instead of using an electric heater element replace with a hot water coil similar to a solar coil. Used hot water is sent back to the tank.

The advantage is that the circuit used to turn the element on now just turns on a pump. All the controls work the same and no problem with timers or rinsing in cold water. The washing machine works as normal.

The only issues are:

Can the element be replaced by a heating coil?
Will the coil provide enough heat? It might take a bit longer (Huh) to heat the water?

If one could fit the heating element and heating coil in then a simple circuit could be used to switch back to the heating element if no hot water is available.

Any thoughts….
Logged
daftlad
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1708



« Reply #246 on: July 01, 2009, 12:01:50 AM »

rs sell timer modules, the same size as a mcb.

they have selectable times from 1 sec to 15 hours simply by turning little screw potentiometers on the front, seconds, hours, multiply by, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0

We have used them on a number of panels, that are activating a pump via a momentary push switch, 230v or volt free input.

I dont have my catalogues handy at the moment and i find rs on line a pain.

i think they cost from 30-100 quid depending on the spec of the unit.

regards

tony
30 quid.... how much....
I guess that would be not so bad if they were DPDT because then you could do away with the relay.
laters
Logged

I WILL KEEP BANGING ON ABOUT MASONRY STOVES
Greenbeast
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 929


« Reply #247 on: July 01, 2009, 07:05:14 AM »

bmike, interesting, i don't know how feasible it is but i'm going with the hot supply at the moment

tony, thanks for the suggestion but i'm trying to keep this cheap
Logged
wookey
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2558


WWW
« Reply #248 on: July 01, 2009, 11:30:48 AM »

Seems like someone could make a PCB for this with a little timer circuit and relays on with connection for solenoids and a switch (included in kit?). Could be quite cheap and save everyone having to source all the bits separately. Navitron - you listening?

Another option for the genuinely stingy is to disable the heater coil so it can't come on. (ours is dead, which is ideal).
Logged

Wookey
daftlad
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1708



« Reply #249 on: July 01, 2009, 01:40:46 PM »

Wookey
I think I would go with this

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=3315

I think the relay is rated at 240 volts so I would mount it off the PCB, maybe there is a relay base available?
I wouldn't recommend it because I haven't tried it.
Has anyone played with this kit?
laters

EDIT
I just had a look at the velleman website and it says the timer is rated at 240 volts

http://www.velleman.be/downloads/0/illustrated/illustrated_assembly_manual_k2579.pdf

Like I say I am not sure I would recommend it.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2009, 02:14:16 PM by daftlad » Logged

I WILL KEEP BANGING ON ABOUT MASONRY STOVES
tony.
Guest
« Reply #250 on: July 01, 2009, 07:22:39 PM »

the timer from rs will come with a warranty, should be easier to connect up, and keep remote components to a minimum

tony
Logged
daftlad
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1708



« Reply #251 on: July 02, 2009, 12:37:47 AM »

Tony
Is this the sort of thing?

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=3311038&cm_vc=av_uk

If it does the whole job then a simple solution.
I bet they can be got for less (rs isn't known for being cheap)
laters
Logged

I WILL KEEP BANGING ON ABOUT MASONRY STOVES
knighty
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1083


« Reply #252 on: July 02, 2009, 12:46:00 AM »

I've pciked those up for a couple of quid a time on ebay before :-)
Logged
fje-iptelenet
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 106



« Reply #253 on: July 02, 2009, 08:54:02 AM »

Provided I can find a supplier in Italy that can ship the Electrolux Sunny washing machine to the UK, we'll have one. Manuals In 'ITALIEN' only - we'll have to go to the local Spaghetti Ristorante if there is a problem. Grin
http://www.gizmag.com/electrolux-sunny-solar-water-front-loader-washing-machine/9421/
http://www.rex.it/node38.aspx?productid=30490
Logged

Rayburn DHW + CH - Wood only
30 ET Solar DHW
3.42 kWp PV
Greenbeast
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 929


« Reply #254 on: July 02, 2009, 09:09:33 AM »

i guess it still needs to be close to the hot supply otherwise it'll get filled with all the cold water in the pipework

my washing machine is right next to the kitchen sink so i can prime the hot water pipework easily
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 13 14 15 16 [17] 18 19 20   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.16 | SMF © 2011, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!