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Author Topic: Solar Heated Water for Washing Machines with a Cold Feed only.  (Read 41869 times)
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« Reply #255 on: July 02, 2009, 02:22:16 PM »

hi

I heard of some people fill in the hot water in the machine  with a watering can, before they start to wash ......


billi

I did this on my dishwasher recently and it worked fine, but have to wait till the initial rinse and drain or just drain part of the cycle is done, which is difficult to time accurately. Can do it on a washing machine too.

I did once run a dishwasher permanently off hot only and it was AOK. Shortened the cycle times quite a bit. But only good if pipe run to boiler/HWC is short. Not true of my current solar heated system.
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« Reply #256 on: July 02, 2009, 03:44:21 PM »

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Welcome! Don't worry about this Karma thing. Minus 20 after your first post!  This is not on whoever is doing this.....
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« Reply #257 on: July 02, 2009, 03:51:55 PM »

minus 20? How the hell can that happen?
Have a word with the moderators, I'm sure they can help
Anyway Welcome
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« Reply #258 on: July 02, 2009, 04:56:28 PM »

daftlad,yes that the type of thing from rs, we use different makes, but essentially there the same thing.

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« Reply #259 on: July 02, 2009, 05:30:24 PM »

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congrats on your 500th post another hero member! Don't expect great things to happen!
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« Reply #260 on: July 03, 2009, 12:51:27 AM »

DaftLad
congrats on your 500th post another hero member! Don't expect great things to happen!
Sean

Ta ever so much
Where are the dancing girls like on the 20 20 cricket.
The big question is who smote er smited er smutendid er smited er smiendadided me?
To be honest i'm suprised I lasted as long as I did without one.
Good night everyone
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« Reply #261 on: July 04, 2009, 06:59:09 PM »

daftlad -  i won the auction for that MK timer you suggested, hopefully it'll turn up by mid week.
i just need to source a new rubber hose to connect the hot solenoid up to the detergent tray.

i was giving further thought to washing machine's in general.
with a bit of tinkering and the use of the 'pump out' programme and either a timer or pipe stat you could prime the pipework with hot water before letting the original programme continue.

Not useful enough for me because my machine is next to the kitchen sink so i can prime that way.

also in the same way you could use a tank stat to trigger the machine to prime the pipework and trigger a programme to run in the middle of the day unattended, couldn't you?
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« Reply #262 on: July 06, 2009, 10:06:56 PM »

Greenbeast
would you like an off cut of din rail? I will also have a look for some clampey things,
I can pop it in an envelope for you.
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« Reply #263 on: July 07, 2009, 06:57:16 AM »

that would be fantastic thankyou.
that was going to be my next hunt once the timer turned up.

i'll PM my address. do you want anything in return?
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« Reply #264 on: July 11, 2009, 08:15:10 PM »

Ok, finally sorted it, with much help from daftlad.
I now have my cold fill machine working with hot and cold water.
This is the layout of the plumbing inside the machine (Hotpoint WF545 ‘Aquarius’):



Luckily ,as you can see, I had a blanked off inlet to the drawer that goes straight to the main wash section, there was also a nice little space on the back of the machine marked ‘H’, next to the ‘C’ (cold solenoid). So obviously its all pretty identical to a H&C fill machine they must produce too.

What happens when the machine runs is that the prewash side of the solenoid runs for about 10 seconds, just rinsing the pre-wash drawer out.
It then stops and the main wash side of the valve opens up, on and off, for about 4-5 minutes.
When it needs to use the softener, both valves open and the combined water from both jets hitting each other forces it down the middle channel and into the softener section.

So with daftlad’s advice and assistance I have added a DPDT relay (http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?moduleno=37518), a switch (http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?moduleno=2504) and a 7 minute timer (MK Sentry Time Delay switch – ebay £6).
Basically I fill the machine and add detergent/softener as normal and then I run the kitchen hot tap to prime the pipework with hot water (I’m lucky in that my machine is close to my kitchen sink and they’re both close to the hot water cylinder, so I can prime the pipework with hot water easily and quickly),
when it’s hot I turn the machine on, press my new button and then the programme start button.
While the timer is activated the relay switches power off of the pre-wash valve (to stop any cold water from entering the drum) and switches the power between the main wash valve and the new hot valve.
So for 7 minutes the machine only has access to hot water. After that it switches back to normal and will rinse in cold water.

Doing this has cost me about £21. The machine is meant to consume 1.14kWh per wash ( I don’t know which programme/temperature though), using our solar water it consumes 0.12kWh on a 50C colour wash ( I assume it’d be the same for any temp wash as long as the incoming water is far enough above the dial temp to counter the cooling due to the machine)
At 9p per kWh and doing 4 washes a week it should pay itself back within 2 years (taking into account winter where we may not have the excess hot water). If electricity goes up, it’ll payback sooner, and if the solar performs well during winter it’ll also payback sooner.

Final circuit diagram and photos to follow in the morning...
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« Reply #265 on: July 11, 2009, 09:27:48 PM »

Well done.
I think Iain started the ball rolling on this one with his latching relay design.
I look forward to seeing the pictures.
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« Reply #266 on: July 11, 2009, 09:58:42 PM »

daftlad - Thankyou for all the help.

Everyone - Here is Daftlad's circuit diagram, he drew it, i digitised it



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« Reply #267 on: July 12, 2009, 07:30:42 AM »

"At 9p per kWh"

Are you making your own leccy then? Mine is at least 11p, or is my memory playing tricks again?
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« Reply #268 on: July 12, 2009, 08:29:26 AM »

admittedly we do pay a standing charge, butthat is our unit cost from npower is 8.9p
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« Reply #269 on: July 12, 2009, 09:02:50 AM »

photo as promised:

Here is the new hot solenoid:



Here is the timer/relay (i know the wiring looks crazy/messy):



and here is the front panel with my new button and 3 neons
The red indicates the machine is filling
The right hand green is hot and the left hand green is cold
(I know they might not be perfectly aligned):


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