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rufus
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« on: August 11, 2006, 11:37:46 AM »

I am interested in the weather stations listed on Navitron site. Do they log the data, and if so, how? I want to record wind speed and direction at a site where I don't have power and can't leave a computer etc. I want to get averages over at least one whole year while I save up for a turbine!
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Ivan
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2006, 01:09:31 AM »

No, these are stand-alone weather stations. They do have a 'pressure history' display on the LCD and max/min can be accessed, but that is about it. They are not designed for data logging. I think there are some good units available with wireless links somewhere, but prices are quite high

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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2006, 02:48:47 PM »

Hi,

I have a weather station which has a data logger built in. I think that my particular station is probably more sophisticated than what you indicate that you require. However the same manufacturer makes another station which will log and can be a standalone unit which will transmit to your computer so that you can down load all the readings on a regular basis.

These stations are made by Davis Instruments, an American company, which are available from McMurdo Ltd,
Silver Point, Airport Service Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PB. Tel 02392 623900 Fax:- 02392 623998.
The station that will probably do what you want is called the Davis Weather Wizard III. Enquire with the above company the price and ask them to send you a brochure. I have had my Weather Monitor II station for approx 5 years now and it has been very dependable and I have had no problems at all with it.

If you require any further help please post a further notice and I will do my best to answer your query.
 
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2006, 09:03:10 PM »

Rufus
I bought one of Ivans weather statuions and it is a neat bit of kit - endless source of facination for the kids and me. It is however disappointing in that it doesn't give you an average wind speed over an extended period. It gives you a live readout of an average up to 18 minutes max. I would have thought that with some smart programming it could provide a longer average wind speed?

I have been logging the averages throughout the day when I can (I work from home so this is doable) and this at least will give me a picture of what the winds doing that can inform my decision on wind trurbine size that may suit my site.  I would be interested if anyone has any suggestions as to the best way to log this info.

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wyleu
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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2006, 06:59:54 PM »

If someone could sniff out the wireless from it it would be lovely to be able to get that elsewhere! RS232 for instance?
How dumb is it? ONe hopes very  Cheesy

Can it work in conjunction with the existing display device?
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2006, 08:24:16 PM »

Not sure if I can answer any technical stuff - it is wireless and transmits on 433Mhz that can be received up to 33m away by the display consol. It can be seen at http://www.acurite.dk/pro-weather-station.html where theres a lot more spec. May be useful to answer any techy stuff.

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wyleu
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2006, 04:33:29 PM »

Does the sensor head just jabber 433Mhz stuff and the receiver merely listens or is there any polling or silmilar?

How would one find this sort of stuff out? Could one sniff with a PC card of some sort?
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2006, 08:01:33 PM »

Sorry just a dumb idea please shoot down in flames

Too bad you can't use the components from a computer mouse for wind speed.

The rotating wheel can give you speed I believe older versions could connect to the
serial port!!

Direction could be fed back from a variable pot?
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2006, 07:23:36 PM »

The 'normal' way of doing wind direction is an optical sensor over a circle of black and white areas laid out in the format of a Gra(e)y code. A pot won't do 360 degrees and would wear out the track fairly quickly,  some people do do them.

http://www.windspeed.co.uk/ws/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=59&op=page

These kinds of sensors get quite small to be REALLY accurate, so much so that the MOD tends to get interested if you start getting too accurate. Apparently they can be used to go 'Bang' with some degree of precision.
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2006, 06:17:09 PM »

Does the sensor head just jabber 433Mhz stuff and the receiver merely listens or is there any polling or silmilar?

How would one find this sort of stuff out? Could one sniff with a PC card of some sort?


Wyleu

There are no ports obvious on the receiver so I guess unless you open it up its not going to be easy to sniff it?

Paul
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wyleu
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2006, 05:58:50 AM »

I've opened up the humidity sensor to circuit board level, I've taken a couple of photo's but they ont really show enough for them to be much good, They don't show chip id's for example. THe Spinning cup sensor seems to require a little more surgery to get into it ( You seem to have to remove a circlip from the end of the spinning shaft to go any further and I wasn't keen to do that) . I'll probably add some form of external power supply so I won't have to revisit the unit when it's up on the old aerial on my roof but that's for the weekend.
It really all depends how simple or complex the radio packets are. If it just blurts away shouting out a set of readings every few seconds then that is probably very 'easy' ( if you know how to do it Smiley) to simply receive the signal extract the data from the carrier, seperate the data from it's headers and footers and whatever else they sling in there. Then discover which chunk of data corresponds to which sensor and then present that data as some form of interface that could be used by something else.
Personnally I think it might well be a receiver chip, a small PIC with an RS232 output. That would allow it to be read by low level stuff easily, like other PIC chips rather than try to encapsulate it all into a One-wire solution, which seems to be emerging as one of our defacto standards. The radio decoding of the time signal seems to be performed in the humidity sensor. That's great because it  means we get very accurate time keeping cheaply, and that is a serious problem, easily addressed.

Once things start to slow up round here I'll probably start looking at it, but for the moment my main concern is getting all this much talked about kit up on the wall and up on the aerial post without it all falling off, me falling off or having to revisit it at some time in the near future.

It certainly looks viable.
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