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Author Topic: Capturing energy from Lightning  (Read 2032 times)
Ivan
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« on: May 11, 2008, 02:15:36 AM »

I mentioned my sky antenna 'free energy' device recently. Last night's amazing thunderstorms (S.Wales) got me thinking (uh oh, I hear you say). For several hours, we had lighning in the sky every 5-10seconds. Haven't seen one like that for several years.



Benjamin Frankin is one of those amazing olde worlde inventors -  as well as discovering the true nature of lightning and whirlwinds, he invented lightning rods, the wood burning stove(!), bifocal lenses and speedometers.

Franklin's famous experiment, flying a kite in a thunderstorm (VERY DANGEROUS - in case it gives any younger members ideas!), always captured my imagination. According to Wiki and others, an average thunderstorm can carry 10million kWh of energy, and larger storms can carry as much as 1000x this much energy. Clearly a lot. At any one moment there are 2000 storms across our planet.

If there was a way of harnessing this power, then a significant new form of renewable energy would be realised. In practical terms, the difficulty is severe, however, there is another approach:

"According to Christian and McCook (1), most of the electrical charge transferred to the atmosphere during storms is transmitted to the ionosphere, from where it leaks back to earth as a steady, 500,000-Volt fair-weather current of about 2 pico Amps per square meter of ground area. That works out to just 0.01 micro Watts per square metre or 10 kiloWatts (kW) per square kilometer." [think there's a mistake in that calculation...]

(1) Christian, Hugh J. and Melanie A. Mc.Cook. (Undated) Lightning detection from space: A lightning primer. http://ghrc.msfc.nasa.gov/lightning/primer.html.


So if you happen to own 250acres of land, you've got 10kW of electrical power raining down, constantly. Or if you have 600m2, like me, then you've only got 6W.
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2008, 12:08:59 PM »

The other approach is if you have HV grid lines going across your land. There must be a way of capturing 'wasted' energy from them. Holding a fluorescent tube underneath lights it up, doesn't it?

I've only got an 11KV line to play with.
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Ivan
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2008, 12:49:26 PM »

You mean like this?



This was a 1000-odd fluorescent sculpture near Bath. I didn't see it myself, but I always fancied having a go at replicating it. For more details: http://dbkp.wordpress.com/2008/02/
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Ivan
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2008, 12:54:00 PM »

Semi-seriously, though, the discharge from clouds in the sky, according to the 10kW/km2 figure (I'm assuming that's the correct one). accounts for around 2.6GW across the UK
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2008, 08:59:03 PM »

Ted,everyone,I have a 400kv line crossing some of my land,and was very tempted to experiment with induction in a parallel line,but considered it potentially dangerous,and probably illegal! also considered winding a large coil around the periphery of one of the towers,but any of this would be spotted very easily;incidentally,has anyone watched the painting gangs at work on the towers?,very impressive,in a suicidal sort of way!  Shocked
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2008, 09:14:54 PM »

Theres a really good BBC ( I think ) film about pylon painters.
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2008, 09:29:33 PM »

Ivan

Why not capture the lightning direct. It is a myth that lightning does not strike twice in the same place. Whilst on holiday in Austria we had some severe thunderstorms but I noticed the lightning was always hitting the same spot on the hillside. Speaking to the locals I found out it was a lightning point made to protect the cable cars. How it works I have no idea but it was very effective.
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Ivan
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2008, 10:39:43 PM »

Yes, trying to tap into the radiant energy of pylons is illegal. However, I assume the sculptor got away with it because he wasn't actually 'using' the energy.

John,
Yes, I think capturing the  lighning directly is one of the challenges. It's easy to discharge a storm cloud (there is a technique that sends small rockets into the cloud trailing a copper conductor), It's very effective, but the energy is difficult to utilise - high voltage, high power, very short time frame.
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