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« on: May 23, 2008, 12:41:57 PM »

I wonder how many of these have been sold...

http://greenfuels.co.uk/product/fuelpod-2.aspx

Any chance of getting some made in China for a small fraction of £2500?
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2008, 07:19:02 PM »

According to one of their directors, they are doing rather nicely out of them! Current sales are around 3-4 units per day, and they need to sell 12 each week to cover costs. The following is quoted from a thread on the subject over on the vegetableoildiesel forum - this is from the aforementioned director:

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With the cost of the plant, its worth noting we tend to have to order components in multiples of hundreds to reduce our bill of materials but even so our material cost is around £1600. On top of this we have direct build costs, overheads, support line, warranty returns, marketing etc. The long and short of it is if we sold at less than £2500 we would make a significant loss. This is based at 12 unit sales per week, if we sell less than this we do make a loss.

There's a chap on ebay called (I think) ringolui who is operating as the UK end of a Chinese manufacturing operation. Mate of mine almost bought one of his set ups before deciding I could build him one instead. Never got to see it in the flesh, but it was all in stainless - no plastic involved - and the whole set up was £1500 - that included a meth recovery unit, processor and a pre-heating/de-watering vessel. Looked (from the photos) to be way ahead of the Fuel Pod in value for money.

I think half the trouble with many of the units being sold currently is that the sellers are basically saying you just put oil in one end and biodiesel comes out the other. Very few mentions of washing, drying, settling, glycerol disposal, meth recovery etc etc. Some are just laughable - an old oil drum, a 10 quid immersion heater, a 30 quid pump and a bit of pvc hose - "yup, that there's your processor Sir - a snip at £250" Saddest bit is that people are actually buying them - and then ending up on various forums trying to find out why it all went so wrong...... Huh

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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2008, 09:30:52 PM »

They look pretty good. The only improvement I'd suggest is 100litre batches. You soon find that it is too much effort for just 50litres - there are quite a few hours work involved. I don't think it is practical to get them made in China. The market is too small, and certificates too expensive.

How about making a solar-powered biodiesel reactor yourself? We've got some SFH panels in specifically for this purpose, and you should be able to construct one yourself for under £1000.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2008, 10:26:22 PM »

They do a 100 litre version too - and that will set you back over £3600 Shocked Even given the big savings you can make on bio - that's a fair old investment. There is a school of thought on a couple of forums that the Fuel Pod will attain the same status as the exercise bike and rowing machine, and that there will be hundreds of these daleks standing forlorn and abandoned in the corners of the garages of suburbia.......

You can build a processor capable of producing fuel to at least the same standard yourself from off the shelf parts for literally thousands of pounds less. Check out http://www.graham-laming.com/bd/main.htm

Graham is an extremely helpful chap and is happy to answer any queries regarding his system - known as the GL Eco system as it recovers the excess methanol and uses far less water than some processes.

The outfit I mentioned before is http://www.homemadebiofuel.com/ btw.

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2008, 09:44:21 AM »

Ted, Ivan, List

With the increased shortage in WVO and it now trading for about 80p/litre bulk/unfiltered, and new oil almost the same price as diesel, there can be very few people who wish to continue to make their own biofuel.

I'm sure there are many who have invested in various "processors" only to find that their enthusiasm wanes when they find out how long it takes, and the difficulty in maintaining a supply of cheap waste oil.

There is no mention about the cost and disposal of the other reactants, - the methanol  and the lye.  Both of which could become a serious issue.




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