Installing a flue liner

[major]

I'm about to install 2 woodburners in an Edwardian terraced house. 

I have just had the chimneys tested aand they both need lining.  I'm naturally suspicious of tradesmen who certify the need for a product or services they supply, but I also recognise the value of a liner in improving efficiency so I'm going to line both flues. 

My question is whether the lining of the flues is a job I can realistically take on myself?   How long does it take?  Is it straoghtforward or will I wish I had got a pro to do it?  Relevant info:  I am no great DIYer, but relatively fit and competent.  The house is has three storeys and the roof is flat with straightforward access.

Any thoughts welcome. 

[sleepybubble]

who is installing the wood burners, and making the final connections at the bottom end of the liners? They ought to be the person to put it in because if there is any problems they are responsible for putting them right. This prevents unnecessary delays to the whole job. I'd also recommend getting the chimneys thoroughly swept before lining.
If you decide to do it yourself, over measure by about 2 metres and drop a rope down the chimney first and attach it to the liner, you'll find that trying to get a coiled liner straight when three storeys up is no easy task, it makes sense to have another bod at the bottom who can tug as you feed. Also make good consideration of rainfall into the chimney, removing the clay pot and cementing a cowled top down as a replacement is well worth doing. However this shouldn't be done until the connections to the stove/s has been done so that when the liner is cut to fit the cowl it is the right length.

If you are considering back filling the chimney with perlite or some other insulator then I'd reccomend you let the tradesmen do it, as it is a pita!

Hope that helps

Mark

[martin]

here's some diy destructions - http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/lining_a_chimney.html - I'd certainly reiterate the "if in doubt, get a pro in" thing - carbon monoxide is a silent killer, and not to be trifled with!
- this little lot applies too! - http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/stove_building_regulations.html

[major]

The installer will be a Hetas engineer who will conect the flue liner to the adaptor and stove, do the fire cementing and fit the register plate.  I am planning to use a suspending cowl which means - apparently - no need to remove the chimney pot.

[martin]

excellent - very wise move! - a few bob in that direction is money well spent!

[major]

here's some diy destructions - http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/lining_a_chimney.html - I'd certainly reiterate the "if in doubt, get a pro in" thing - carbon monoxide is a silent killer, and not to be trifled with!
- this little lot applies too! - http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/stove_building_regulations.html

I don't want to take any CO risks, of course, but presumably there aren't any if the connections from stove to liner are done by a pro.

Feel free to tell me I'm missing something obvious.

[martin]

Unless anyone yells to the contrary, I'd have a good read up of the stuff in the links, confer with your Hetas bloke, and give it a go - it isn't exactly rocket science, but it is very wise to have it all checked over by a pro - you'd never forgive yourself if your family came to any harm from a bodged job!
My partner-in-crime has lined many chimneys, and I gather it's "luck of the draw", sometimes it's an absolute doddle and the liner virtually installs itself - other times it's a lengthy struggle and the cause of a great deal of bad language!

[sleepybubble]

I agree with Martin in principle it isn't rocket science, I will just reiterate though don't fit the cowl or cut to length until after the other end is done....
This will mean co-ordinating carefully with your Hetas bloke as he will want to test fire the stove before sign off, and that will be at the end of the full installation, i.e. when cowl fitted. As he will be checking for things such as suffiecient draw as part of the test fire, i.e. no blockages in the liner.
For what its worth I dont think you'll be saving much money off the total job by doing it yourself.
For amusement value though there is nothing like being fifty foot off the ground trying to poke a fifty five foot x 6 inch snake down a small dirty hole! 

[major]

Thanks for these comments

Sleepy, I'm interested to know why you don't think it will save me any £.  I have been quoted between £800 and £1400 per chimney, yet the materials (from www.fluesystems.com) are about £300 per flue.  Again, am I missing something?

[KenB]

LIst,

I got my 6" flue liner from

http://www.fluestore.com/

http://www.fluestore.com/index.php?page=groups&grp=1&subgrp=1&diam=155

Currently £15.39 + VAT  per metre for 6" liner plus full range of accessories.

Their service was excellent and they were very competitively priced  - even if they did deliver it at 6am!


Ken

[MR GUS]

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[dhaslam]

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  I have been quoted between £800 and £1400 per chimney, yet the materials (from www.fluesystems.com) are about £300 per flue.  Again, am I missing something?
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Another quote perhaps?

[frotter]

Toying with the idea of joining the stove club..... wouldnt it be better to pull the liner UP the flue, so that Speccybloke (ahem  ) wont have to wrestle with deadly tin snake whilst teetering on the brink of holographic oblivion...?

Probly wrong. I am ginger dont forget.....

 

[martin]

I think it's because of lumps........which can detach themselves - if the flue liner is being pulled down, any chunks of aged brickwork that detach should then fly down the chimney, and will do no damage as they will land on the ginger bloke working in the grate
If you pulled it up, any detached lumps could get between the liner and the inside of the chimney, hence jamming it solid, the string would break, and Speccybloke would then hurtle down from roof doing Father Christmas suffering an overdose  of gravity impression!

[frotter]

Hmmm, thanks. Sounds dangerous. I think i'll just let him do it on his own. That'll larn 'im!

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