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« on: October 17, 2008, 10:11:09 AM » |
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With the price of crude oil dropping is it time to start taxing the currently tax-free aviation fuel?
I cannot see why the aviation sector should benefit from this 'hidden' subsidy.
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2008, 10:13:17 AM » |
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Better still, stop taxing it for road use  |
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2008, 10:51:14 AM » |
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With the price of crude oil dropping is it time to start taxing the currently tax-free aviation fuel?
I cannot see why the aviation sector should benefit from this 'hidden' subsidy.
I'm not sure you can call it a subsidy. The government isn't giving them anything - there just not taking anything away. Thousands of airline industry jobs are already threatened under the present economical climate. Do we want to add to that by taxing fuel? Even if you say it doesn't affect me because I don't fly, 1000's of extra people on the dole will do because their allowance will come from your taxes. |
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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2008, 10:58:43 AM » |
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Its a subsidy compared to any other form of fossil fuelled transport.
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2008, 11:04:52 AM » |
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We'd better throw shipping and farm vehicles in there aswell.......
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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2008, 11:30:17 AM » |
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We'd better throw shipping and farm vehicles in there aswell.......
A lot of farmers can no longer use red diesel due to the restrictive legislation aimed at stopping a small minority of farmers who had been using their tractors as cheap haulage contractors  |
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2008, 01:24:37 PM » |
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I cannot see why the aviation sector should benefit from this 'hidden' subsidy.
I'm not sure you can call it a subsidy. The government isn't giving them anything - there just not taking anything away. Just like excluding aviation from carbon limits isn't a subsidy? It's intercontinental pork barrels.  |
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2008, 01:33:49 PM » |
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The way I look at it, a haulier carrying essentials is taxed to the hilt for doing "essential" work, aviation is ENTIRELY supplantable by other more green methods of travel - flying is for way over 99% of the time an unnecessary and incredibly ecologically damaging luxury, and should be taxed, not at the same rate as road fuel, but at ten times the rate.............  and by the way, I'm not a hypocrite - I last flew in the mid-70's, decided it was without a doubt the most atrocious way of getting anywhere ever devised, and have used civilised means of transport ever since.....  muter mutter mutter - bloody blobbies killing the atmosphere to go and get drunk somewhere they couldn't even find on a map...........  |
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2008, 02:54:25 PM » |
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I mostly agree with you Martin but I go back to my original question.... what do we do with the 1000's of extra people on the dole? Me, for instance! Gizza job and i'll happily give it up tomorrow......  By the way, I believe that the airline industry is dying a natural death and even if it's not euphenased by fuel taxes it will die. |
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2008, 03:39:14 PM » |
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Well, IF we had an imaginative government, there'd be bags of jobs in the burgeoning renewables industries - the new wind and solar farms, the factories making turbines and pv panels, and the repopulation of the countryside with people needed for organic food production - bringing the villages back to life!.............. Howsabout loads of farriers, saddlers, cart-makers ready for the boom in horse and pony-drawn transport? Forestry workers engaged in reforestation, and later on, coppicing........ Then we'll need shipwrights to build the new fleets of sailing vessels in our revivified shipyards! |
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2008, 03:46:24 PM » |
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and pigs might fly... oooh may be they could take over from oil guzzling planes.... So no out for me yet then?  |
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2008, 03:58:07 PM » |
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OR you could play it the present government's way - unlearn everything you knew about a subject, then offer yourself as a consultant to the government in the subject (BRE and BWEA would probably be good examples)........ |
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2008, 04:02:38 PM » |
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I'll stick to my dreams of a smallholding in the countryside.......
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2008, 04:32:04 PM » |
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The recent budget in Ireland brought in a tax of 2 or 10 euro on flights, depending on distance (higher for longer). It doesn't seem much but with about 20 million passengers through Dublin airport each year it will add up to quite a lot. I would have thought it should be much more. There is already a travel tax applying to all travel.
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2008, 06:52:01 PM » |
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OR you could play it the present government's way - unlearn everything you knew about a subject, then offer yourself as a consultant to the government in the subject (BRE and BWEA would probably be good examples)........ You can add DEFRA and CARBON TRUST to that list |
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