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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2008, 05:34:49 PM »

Do I need to purchase a special container for the bio ethanol or can I purchase a large jerry can and fill in in one of these fueling stations?
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2008, 07:51:12 PM »

I notice that the pump are only 85% bio ethanol.  One of my fireplaces does not have a working chimney.  Is the Bio Ethanol 85 safe for this burner?
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2008, 08:00:02 PM »

words like "stitched up", and "kipper" spring to mind..... to use an incredibly volatile fuel like that indoors would seem foolhardy in the extreme - and as motor vehicles can use the stuff, it's never going to be cheap.....is it too late to get a refund from the vendor of the burners? Undecided
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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2008, 09:06:29 PM »

Three of the burners have been used now so I don't think I could return them.

The supplier in Germany also will not delivery to the UK.
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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2008, 09:15:39 PM »

 Sad  is it because dangerous to transport ?

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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2008, 09:30:01 PM »

It could be.  I have asked the seller to confirm.
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2008, 11:13:18 PM »

Unless I'm getting it wrong somewhere these things are an utter con - basically a metal box with a brick in, for silly money, using fuel at a ludicrous cost ......It would probably be considerably cheaper and safer to use a large electric fire.........
Sticking neck out time........ I've just found a French website flogging the things, and quoting 1.2 litres per hour - fuel cost 20 litres for 59 euros, and your 1.2 litres contains approx 6kw/h of energy - then on their own admission, unless you bung the chimney up, two-thirds of the heat will go straight up the chimney........... horror
THEN you've bunged your chimney up, and you're burning the stuff, which doesn't even claim complete purity, and dumping the results of the combustion into the air in your home........large quantities of water vapour, and whatever toxic fumes are generated by the 4% of odds and sods that's in it.......... whistlie
I would say trading standards first stop - on several grounds - they look extremely unsafe, the thought of refilling one when hot is faintly petrifying with what is essentially rocket fuel, there is no proper burner to make the best of the burning fuel, I would suspect that blocking flues could be lethal, and if you did, if you didn't expire from the fumes, your walls would be streaming with water................  wackoteapot
If someone SOLD them to you, I'd get VERY cross with them! fight
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2008, 11:46:29 PM »

Unfortunately, I have to agree - you've been stitched up! You'll never lower your carbon footprint with ethanol burners. Ethanol is a high grade fuel (ie volatile liquid) - which means it's best used in vehicles. Lower grade fuels should be used for heating. Another reason that you've been stitched up is that bioethanol requires as much energy as it provides simply to distil the products of fermentation to provide your fuel. So you'd get twice as much energy by burning the raw sugar+whatever-was-burnt-to-distil-it.
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« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2008, 11:53:17 PM »

A certain dodgy "auction" site is choc a block with the things, from £300 up to nearly a grand - several of them claiming "flueless" operation, which has got to be barking bonkers....... Roll Eyes
I think we have our second outright winner of the Navitron Chocolate Teapot Award........... chocolateteapot
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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2008, 08:08:04 PM »

At least I have won something!
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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2008, 08:28:36 PM »

"At least I have won something!"

Alas, I fear not ...

... I believe the "Navitron Chocolate Teapot Award" is awarded to the manufacturer, or at least the company selling the product.  Sorry!
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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2008, 09:16:08 PM »

I'm so sorry Stardust! A word of explanation - "chocolate teapot" is geekspeak (internet jargon) for something that is totally unsuitable for the use for which it was designed............... whistlie
In all seriousness, I think you have very good grounds for a complete refund from whoever sold you the bally things, from my understanding, they are not only a con, they drive several carts and horses through all the safety regulations........ you would also probably be helping to save lives - these things are potentially lethal on several counts! Wink
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