Ireland - Miserable Interim tariff for microgenerators

[Shay]

The ESB have announced a miserable interim tariff for microgenerators up to 11kw of 9 cents per kw hr.

http://www.askaboutenergy.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1229373155

[billi]

Finally there is some movement    But pretty conservative  offer  ( would have been acceptable 20 years ago )

I wounder how the greens in the Irish government  think about that

1 kwh electricity  produced with  free wind, PV, Hydro  or other  free available source , saves about 2-3 kwh of energy lost in powerstations  to produce that 1 kwh  , so in my opinion we should get that money  as well !


But are these feed in tariffs guaranteed  ?

 

Accordingly
the offering is expected to expire by the end of 2010, and hopefully be replaced by a
more substantive industry agreed solution

   out of  http://www.cer.ie/en/electricity-retail-market-current-consultations.aspx?article=6ade4dc2-3a1d-41b0-9081-57399705c278

Did they change the planning rules for windturbines as well ?

At the moment it is  i think
 Wind turbines with a mast height of 10 metres and a rotor diameter of 6 metres will be exempt from planning permission

6 meter  is  about a 6 kw turbine i guess   so can generate upto 1500 euro per year


They say you can feed in with a generator  upto 11 kw  so i have to move to river  or find friends with a stream  that then could generate 9000 euro per year  or (still in my head) install a PV on a rented plot/roof somewhere else in Europe  and get upto 50 cents per unit

Billi

[Shay]

Hi Billi,

It really is a miserable feed in tariff. I've talked to numerous people who have seen my turbine and expressed an interest but when they value it purely on an economic level they rapidly lose interest.

I don't think the planning exemptions have changed.

[Ivan]

I wouldn't get too upset. The regulations are a lot less strict than the UK - here we need planning permission for anything over 2m diameter, and we need permission for anything more than 6kW connected to the grid. The 9c/kWh isn't as good as some UK tariffs, but it's not as bad as others.

[Justme]

Ivan, what exactly are the Planning rules at the min?

justme

[Shay]

The planning exemptions in Ireland are as follows:

http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/DevelopmentandHousing/Planning/FileDownLoad,15681,en.pdf

[Justme]

If the UK follows Ireland then there will be lots of happy people about.

13m max height for domestic
&
20m for agri & industrial

Justme

[Ivan]

Planning rules relating to renewables vary by county in Wales (although broadly the same), England is different and Scotland different again, and different yet again for Conservation areas, national parks and listed buildings.

[billi]

I wouldn't get too upset. The regulations are a lot less strict than the UK - here we need planning permission for anything over 2m diameter, and we need permission for anything more than 6kW connected to the grid. The 9c/kWh isn't as good as some UK tariffs, but it's not as bad as others.

Sure  i will not get too upset .... perhaps get another battery bank for myself ....

But real Anarchists should ask for more , much more to receive something respectable .... for all

When the Greens went into the Government in Germany  a decade or more ago , their already weakened force  of ideas had some impact on the structure or development  of the future ..... and are fundamentals now , sure you can always question these approaches  in relation how good is the economy working

Like nowadays  = Economy is down = we have to find cheap living = were is the cheap coal

In general we are the society and the state

strange world in my opinion .... they (el. supply board) offer something , but we pay anyway for that




billi

[Justme]

Planning rules relating to renewables vary by county in Wales (although broadly the same), England is different and Scotland different again, and different yet again for Conservation areas, national parks and listed buildings.

Been looking for details on online even on the planning portal & local council sites but info seems very thin on the ground. I guess they dont want us to know what we can do without asking them so they can say no.


Justme

[fsphil]

The ESB have announced a miserable interim tariff for microgenerators up to 11kw of 9 cents per kw hr.

Lucky you :-)

A few months ago NIE increased their export tariff to 7.40p/kWh. Up from a shocking 4.75p/kWh.

They're decreasing import prices at the start of January... what'ya bet they'll decrease the export rates by an even greater percentage?

[guydewdney]

EDF in the UK offered me 5p - which as of todays exchange rate is 5.2 cents. Dont winge!

[Shay]

EDF in the UK offered me 5p - which as of todays exchange rate is 5.2 cents. Dont winge!

But you have ROC's also?

[Ivan]

Navitron's local energy supplier offered us 4.5p/kWh INCLUDING the ROC - ie they pay us 0p per kWh!!

Some suppliers are still taking the micky with buy-back prices.

[billi]

here is a letter from a local (Co .Cork)  politician and a windturbine producer to the CER (Commissioner for Energy Regulation)

http://turbotricity.com/wp-content/uploads/cer-submission-on-feed-in-tariff.pdf