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« on: April 16, 2009, 10:02:56 AM »

An "independent" enquiry has been announced into the stasi's activities at the G20 demos, this, of course, is being run by a, wait for it - policeman - note - "independent", and "policeman" for a police enquiry -no chance of any bias there then! ............
Having seen a boneheaded police apologist on TV last night saying that the psycho bully-boy who was filmed beating a little girlie was "using his baton correctly", I have no doubt it will be a total whitewash!
- here's the story...........

"Metropolitan police chief launches inquiry into G20 protest tactics
All aspects of public order policing, including techniques such as kettling used at G20 protests, to be examined in review

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/apr/16/g20-protest-policing-tactics-review

"The Metropolitan police's tactics for protests are to be reviewed in a wide-ranging independent inquiry announced yesterday, amid growing evidence of violent behaviour by officers at the G20 protests.

Denis O'Connor, chief inspector of constabulary, who will carry out the review, said last night he would examine all aspects of the Met's public order policing, including techniques such as kettling – the containment of thousands of protesters inside police cordons for hours at a time.

O'Connor has been called in by Met commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson, who said yesterday the move had been prompted by concern over policing of the G20 protests. The Met will scour its own surveillance footage of the demonstrations in the City of London to search for further evidence of police misconduct.

Stephenson said concern over policing at the G20 protests this month prompted him to ask O'Connor to conduct an independent review into public order tactics.

O'Connor said his inquiry would involve interviews with Met officers of "all levels" about their actions. He also asked protesters or bystanders caught up in the operation to contact the inspectorate with their views.

"I thought it was necessary and timely for an independent look at the tactics police use in relation to protest," he said. His inquiry would ask whether the Met had strayed from "the British way" of policing protest, using minimum force.

A second issue will be whether officers are justified and proportionate in "the use of force" when dealing with protesters.

The Guardian plans to give the Independent Police Complaints Commission seven new videos today that illustrate alleged police brutality or questionable tactics in the protests. The footage, shot by film-makers and bystanders, includes:

• Images shot moments before Ian Tomlinson was attacked, and in the same street, that appear to show an officer throwing a person, possibly a woman, to the ground.

• Another video sequence taken moments before Tomlinson was attacked that shows a dog handler releasing a dog which bites the arm of a man who had just turned his back on officers.

• A senior City of London officer using the Public Order Act in an apparent attempt to clear journalists from a memorial event for Tomlinson on 2 April. The Met later apologised for using the law to disperse the media.

• What appear to be two undercover or plainclothes officers marching alongside uniformed riot police. One plainclothes officer is holding a baton.

• A police charge on mainly peaceful demonstrators at the Climate Camp in Bishopsgate. The protesters have their hands in the air and chant: "This is not a riot."

After the footage depicting Tomlinson was published, the IPCC launched a criminal inquiry into his death.

The home secretary, Jacqui Smith, welcomed the O'Connor review, which will be made public. "There are obvious areas of concern and the sad death of Mr Tomlinson and the incident involving the actions of an individual officer have rightly been referred to the IPCC," she said.

Stephenson's decision to request a root and branch inquiry was seen last night as an attempt to stem the crisis that has gripped Scotland Yard since the Guardian obtained the Tomlinson footage.

The 47-year-old was hit with a baton and thrown to the ground while on his way home from work on 1 April. He had attempted to cross police cordons around the Bank of England "kettle". The Met initially made no comment about Tomlinson's contact with police and wrongly claimed protesters had impeded medics from treating him.

Two officers from the Met's Territorial Support Group have been suspended after being filmed by bystanders at G20 protests. Neither officer's badge number was visible and both were seen using their batons in apparently unwarranted attacks.

The first, who struck Tomlinson, will be questioned shortly by the IPCC. The second, a TSG sergeant, was suspended on Tuesday after footage showed him slapping a woman standing outside a "kettle" formed at the 2 April memorial vigil. He then struck her legs with a baton.

Announcing the review, Stephenson said the Met's G20 policing operation – codenamed Glencoe – had been complex and required senior officers to ensure the movement across the capital of many heads of state while balancing the right to lawful protest.

"It is also the case that a number of complaints have been raised in relation to the tactic of containment and as to whether this achieves that balance," he said. "I want to be reassured that the use of this tactic remains appropriate and proportionate.

"As well as the post-event investigation into those responsible for violence and disorder, I have also ensured that footage in police possession is reviewed to identify any other matters of individual police conduct that may warrant investigation."

He added: "One matter that I also want to make clear is that uniformed police officers should be identifiable at all times by their shoulder identification numbers. The public has a right to be able to identify any uniformed officer whilst performing their duty."


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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2009, 12:34:51 PM »

Let the CCTV footage shredding begin!

Unfortunately, the law dictates that unless someone actually dies (or on the IPCC's decision, if someone is seriously injured) at the hands of the police, it HAS to be referred to the Chief of that Constabulary to do the investigation. Bizarrely, he may appoint a senior officer of another constabulary to head the operation (but, how often is that likely to happen?). What's needed is a change in the law forcing investigations by an independent body (and I don't mean the IPCC which is quite clearly not independent).

Interesting comments about the badge-obscuration. What we need is a public statement by head of MetPol stating that if an unidentifiable police officer is present, that you can ask an identifiable police officer to arrest that person, and that the identifiable police officer faces criminal prosecution and prison if he does not do so immediately. The police hide behind the fact that they can't take action against an unknown police officer - so if the responsibility is passed on to an identifiable officer AND it's made a serious offence, the matter should be rectified (or the entire police force at demonstrations will hide their ID badges, in which case the Chief Constable would have to stand down). I'd write again to my MP, but there's no point, as he's a serving MetPol officer, and won't hear anything said against them.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2009, 12:53:51 PM »

which is why I asked the questions of obscured / defaced police i.d. if theres no clear distinguishing detail to specifically i.d the officer he / she should not be on the operation, & any inability to distinguish the policeman should result in arrest by the public of said officer(s)
 If the police do not clearly id themselves then I'd be unable to recognise them INDIVIDUALLY & their stated request for me to comply with them.

Any unlawful action committed by the "force" should result in the same by the public.
if they are corrupt then by definition they surely are not carrying out the job properly (as per legal requirement) therefore like the army incapable of command should be stripped of the command in the field.

 video footage (which they don't want) is essential in all these instances, people attending a demonstration should ALL come equipped with footage recording device to the last man! (not to mention extra memory cards)

which means someone ought to set up rallies whereby those on the march are deemed press reporters for the day, as the police are at this point reluctant to enforce the press rights currently.
call me simple if you like (& I imagine therefore in an affray ..in trouble)

 
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2009, 12:58:08 PM »

I totally agree. Get it all in a letter to your MP - you can contact them online - there's a link in the Navitron links page. It needs to come down from the top ie MPs.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2009, 01:09:20 PM »

If a citizen is present at a Breach of the Peace then it is legally recognised as their 'duty' to perform a citizens arrest on the offender or to perform any such reasonable action that may prevent the BOP.  So if you see anyone, including presumably what is apparently an 'off-duty' (with no shoulder number) police officer, committing such a BOP then you are failing in your duty if you do not arrest him.   police

Good luck with that though if you happen to be surrounded by riot police at the time.
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2009, 01:57:32 PM »

could make for some interesting times!

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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2009, 02:02:09 PM »

I'm busy trying to envisage this - there's all 5'8" of me decides to "do the decent thing" with the fetish-geared 7' tall steroid-riddled sadist poof (the one that likes beating up little girlies).........erm, reasonable force..... elephant gun? whistlie
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2009, 02:04:39 PM »

well Martin, if you are a shrinking violet expect to be picked (on) ..video, video video, & take your life in your hands!
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2009, 02:36:41 PM »

If a citizen is present at a Breach of the Peace then it is legally recognised as their 'duty' to perform a citizens arrest on the offender or to perform any such reasonable action that may prevent the BOP.  So if you see anyone, including presumably what is apparently an 'off-duty' (with no shoulder number) police officer, committing such a BOP then you are failing in your duty if you do not arrest him.   police

Good luck with that though if you happen to be surrounded by riot police at the time.

The problem with this is that you have to hand over to the first policeman who arrives on the scene.   This may mean that the citizen does not have the right to make the arrest unless all of the police do not have proper uniforms or identification. 
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2009, 05:04:30 PM »

Maybe you could argue they are complicit in the offence, ie not sorting their own out & therefore prejudice in favour of their own, therefore not to hand over until off-site police are brought in? ..or similar.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2009, 12:04:44 AM »

That's exactly why I advocated changing the law to put the onus on any identifiable police officer present to arrest any unidentified police officer. If he fails to do so, and you happen to have evidence (video), then he has to deal with serious consequences.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2009, 12:11:15 AM »

We've only got two police officers here, fortunately they're not identical twins!  police
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