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« on: April 16, 2009, 07:26:42 PM »

Austrian tourist who photographed bus and Tube stations says 'nasty incident' has put him off returning to London

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/16/police-delete-tourist-photos

"Like most visitors to London, Klaus Matzka and his teenage son Loris took several photographs of some of the city's sights, including the famous red double-decker buses. More unusually perhaps, they also took pictures of the Vauxhall bus station, which Matzka regards as "modern sculpture".

But the tourists have said they had to return home to Vienna without their holiday pictures after two policemen forced them to delete the photographs from their cameras in the name of preventing terrorism.

Matkza, a 69-year-old retired television cameraman with a taste for modern architecture, was told that photographing anything to do with transport was "strictly forbidden". The policemen also recorded the pair's details, including passport numbers and hotel addresses.

In a letter in today's Guardian, Matzka wrote: "I understand the need for some sensitivity in an era of terrorism, but isn't it naive to think terrorism can be prevented by terrorising tourists?"

The Metropolitan police said it was investigating the allegations.

In a telephone interview from his home in Vienna, Matka said: "I've never had these experiences anywhere, never in the world, not even in Communist countries."

He described his horror as he and his 15-year-old son were forced to delete all transport-related pictures on their cameras, including images of Vauxhall underground station.

"Google Street View is allowed to show any details of our cities on the world wide web," he said. "But a father and his son are not allowed to take pictures of famous London landmarks."

He said he would not return to London again after the incident, which took place last week in central Walthamstow, in north-east London. He said he and his son liked to travel to the unfashionable suburbs.

"We typically crisscross cities from the end of railway terminals, we like to go to places not visited by other tourists. You get to know a city by going to places like this, not central squares. Buckingham Palace is also necessary, but you need to go elsewhere to get to know the city," he said.

He said the "nasty incident" had "killed interest in any further trips to the city".

Jenny Jones, a member of the Metropolitan Police Authority and a Green party member of the London assembly, said she would raise the incident with the Met chief, Sir Paul Stephenson, as part of discussions on the policing of the G20 protests.

"This is another example of the police completely overreaching the anti-terrorism powers," she said. "They are using it in a totally inappropriate way.

"I will be raising it with the commissioner. I have already written to him about the police taking away cameras and stopping people taking photographs and made the point that if it was not for people taking photos, we would not know about the death of Ian Tomlinson or the woman who was hit by a police officer."

A spokeswoman for Metropolitan police said: "It is not the police's intention to prevent tourists from taking photographs and we are looking to the allegations made." The force said it had no knowledge of any ban on photographing public transport in the capital"
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2009, 07:30:27 PM »

So, more proof the police are making it up as they go and are now beyond any control
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2009, 09:01:59 PM »

The force said it had no knowledge of any ban on photographing public transport in the capital"

Of course that is strictly true. There is no such specificity regarding public transport in the law. But the police were obviously acting under Section 58 of The Terrorism Act 2000, even if they overstepped the mark. This prevents photographs of anything being taken if they may be useful to terrorists. The same law that the police rely on to prevent people taking photos of the police themselves.

The Act basically is written to allow the police to presume that many ordinary acts are of a terrorist nature and the onus is then placed on the accused to prove their innocence.  (This same Act allows police to confiscate cash on the basis that it is the property of a 'terrorist' - as was the recent case in Nottingham.)

It is an appallingly drafted piece of legislation that needs replacing asap.
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2009, 09:07:32 PM »

Does that mean they can do what they want without the need for a court order?

Ive got cash, cameras, weapons, computers, etc in my home, just as most people do. Can I now expect to be raided?

This is getting more bizarre by the day. What else dont we know?  When were these laws passed and why wernt we told about them?
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2009, 09:10:57 PM »

Whatever you do, don't let on if you've got a clown's outfit, or home-made soap, you'll be raided in a trice.......
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2009, 12:00:31 AM »

and worryingly, you can be held against your will for up to...let me see, is it 42 days.....if the police decided to arrest you over such incidents.
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2009, 10:45:35 AM »



This is getting more bizarre by the day. What else dont we know?  When were these laws passed and why wernt we told about them?
Amy,these laws were passed by a scheming bunch of neo fascists,called "the labour party",voted into power by the retards and mutants generally to be found reading the 'sun' and believing its festering content.But be careful,the same outfit ordered the death of an innocent scientist when he failed to toe the party line on the Iraq weapons debacle,...allegedly.
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2009, 10:58:49 AM »

I remember the constant wrangling back and forth between the two houses over the 42 day debate.
Although the contentious 42 day issue was the one that grabbed all the attention, it seems it was just a trojan, a large box which also contained other laws, such as the fabled offence of photographing ANYTHING the police deem to be a target, and who knows what else.

Bliar was reported to have made over 1300 new laws, many of which didnt get publicised or the public wernt made aware of what they were, or the implications.

Some were due to his religious convictions, im sure he had his arm twisted by the silly cow he married.
For instance, the wonderful joys of outdoor sex or fun in a car will now get you on the sex offenders register, along with murdering paedophiles.

So next time you think of skinny dipping on an ordinary beach, or recapturing your youth in the back of a car, just remember you might just loose your liberty, your right to travel to many countries, and once the ID cards come, you will lose your right to enter many places and buildings in the country.
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2009, 04:00:04 PM »

pah! no more dogging then ...whatever that is fume
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2009, 04:07:26 PM »

Yet im baffled by the goings on during the Gay Pride here in brum that i attended 4 years ago when first i lived here.
Got to do everything once i say, so i went to see it for myself.

In an open and public street in the middle of the day, with no restrictions on age, i saw male, not only holding hands but wearing clothes which left them in a state of undress which normally only the over 18s could legally be alowed to see but also engaging in acts which would at least constitute a breach of the peace.

Im not saying this cos im a prude, cos im not  Grin, but how can the police who were present in large numbers, permit such behaviour in public, yet also find it necessary to delete and restrict tourists from taking photos?
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2009, 04:30:36 PM »

On a Gay pride event the Police will have been briefed to be very low key and understanding of different behaviour in order that the press do not portray them as misogynistic homophobic thugs and cause issues that way.  Day to day its down to the attitude of the Copper in question, and the attitude of the person that the Copper is dealing with.

There are some nasty officious thugs in the Police force, but there are also a lot of fair minded, balanced Policemen too.  I've met both types, we all have, but its the former type that we remember, and the former type who tend to be involved in the front line during protests, the latter types are sent to the gay pride marches.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2009, 06:02:41 PM »

On a Gay pride event the Police will have been briefed

More likely debriefed if Amy is right!  police
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