Political compass..

[clockmanFR]

baz, As I Said "children's Confirmation" here the French catholics get their children confirmed at about aged 10. As I said, the Mrs and I, would rather our kids choose what they want when they are ready.

I am banned.!!!!

[rondurrans]

.....and me! 

[RobNute]

Here's one for you all, bad language and politically incorect warning, but a pretty frank stand up skit.
I hope no one on this thread is getting too hot under the colar about all this, I love this forum because I learn lots from it, from all the ideas and ideals that are thrown about, religion is yet another life choice and its been interesting to see where we all stand. I never say that I am Atheist or anything, I have yet to be convinced of any religion nor convinced enough to tell em they are all wrong, one of em might be right but I have a hunch that the guy in this link might be nearer the truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

I actually think that if people are going to believe in a God then surely its time that they all agreed on the details, it seems to me that all single deity religions are esentially and practically the same, they all share far more similarities than differences, in a grown up modern world any other groups that shared such similarities would have nutted out the small print, become consolidated and unified by now, whats their problem, is it more about being in an exclusive club than being part of an inclusive belief? Over and out as well, said my bit. Best wishes.

Rob
 

[M]

Any one want to discuss the merits of ramjet technology, then we can get biff to the shops quicker and mart to Mars.

Back from Mars Clocky baby, back from Mars. The wifi here is a b1tch!

Mart.

[SteveH]

 Oooh, missed this topic...

 Prefer my beliefs unfranchised...

 

[biff]

Afore i go to bed,
                  Beliefs are not set in stone.Maturity does not  quite arrive at 21yrs old,nor at 30yrs old not at 40 nor 50 nor 60,,,It is to our credit that we are playfull enough to keep learning and while we keep learning our central pivot can change.Our beliefs can alter.It does not take a car crash or a near death experience but people do change.We can be changed by the love of a good partner or by the fate of becoming a victim to crime.The immediate surrounding do affect us.
       The friends we knew as 20yr olds do not remain the same.Some become pompous and slick.Others fearfull and timid and then some go off the rails on drink and drugs.We have to assume that we too must change.Most of this timeframe is set in out genes and we should have an idea of how we should progress by the performance of our elders.However we have the free will to strike out on a different route.We can leave the twisted and bitterness behind and set out sails on a more kindly approach.It should not take religion to instigate this but if thats what it takes then so be it.The search for peace will end in the open under the stars for each and every one of us but its how we play the game, carry the ball  and give everyone a crack at it that will make us members of a decent team.
                                 Goodnight folks,
                                                     Biff
 

[wookey]

The school religion thing is clearly nonsense in this day and age, but so far as I can see it's not actually doing much harm. The UK is a pretty irreligious place, so most of those children in the last 30 years must have succeeded in working out for themselves that it doesn't make much sense. I guess it's easier if your parents aren't of the sky-faery/spaghetti-monster fraternity too.

Anyway, hooray for lord Dawkins, for doing a great job on the spade-calling front.

The problem is that Britain seems to be bucking the trend and religion shows no signs of dying out in the US or other large tranches of the world - if anything it's getting worse (by which I mean more popular and less tolerant). Quite what's wrong with the Yanks I really don't know - I am frankly astonished that they can manage to run a country at all when you look at the circus that is political activity.

People are _really_ good at believing stuff - it's built in to our brains. That's why people can believe climate change is all a hoax without their heads exploding - in fact they don't even find it very difficult; after all it's less daft than heaven and hell and whatever it is that the martyrs look forward to, which are all widely held beliefs.

Oh, and -6, -6. (I seem to have got more 'left' in my old age - I used to just be mostly libertarian). Worryingly that is almost exactly the same score as Martin. Less worryingly it's also almost the same as desp. :-)

[KLD]

Oh dear, looks like I haven't got what it takes to become a head-of-state neither: -6.4 / -7.3
Klaus

[billi]

People are _really_ good at believing stuff - it's built in to our brains. That's why people can believe climate change is all a hoax

Oh, and -6, -6. (I seem to have got more 'left' in my old age - I used to just be mostly libertarian). Worryingly that is almost exactly the same score as Martin. Less worryingly it's also almost the same as desp. :-)

Exactly Wookey, that is the point  ,     people tend to stigmatise and not listening to words and facts   ,and the hoax is ,to bully someone , without having a good argument

Thats why , i think you  have an inferiority complex and advise you to  find some help ,  while i go to language school  

Billi

[RobNute]

How about this one from the Political Compass,

"The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist."

As a music lover and guitarist I struggled with this one but ultimately we can live without stories and nice sounds but it would be a bit harder without a structured manufacturing base and the suits that make it all happen, however its normally people like myself that play music as a hobbly that make up the lion share of muso's / artists anyway, we would always be there anyway unless music was banned like in the Rush album 2112!

Rob