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« on: June 24, 2009, 04:36:31 PM »

In the near future I will be sinking M8 hanger or carriage bolts into my beautiful Early Victorian Gothic rafters. The roof in the nave is pitch pine. I will be drilling guide holes into the structure first before screwing the bolts in. Anyone have any thoughts on optimal guide hole size. M6 possibly?
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2009, 04:48:15 PM »

I have no first hand experience (I've always judged pilot hole sizes by eye).

Does this kind of guide help? http://diydata.com/information/screwholes/screwholes.php

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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2009, 04:55:51 PM »

What sort of load will they carry?

Would a through bolt be better?

You could do a test hole in a similar bit of wood but the strength diff between too big & too small will be large but on a non stress test it wont show.

I would want to be able to tighten the fitting with a 10" ratchet till I cant move it any more, & to do that without it stripping.


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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2009, 05:04:52 PM »

Lag screws, like wood screws, require prebored holes of the
proper size (Fig. 7–6). The lead hole for the shank should be
the same diameter as the shank. The diameter of the lead
hole for the threaded part varies with the density of the wood:
For low-density softwoods, such as the cedars and white
pines, 40% to 70% of the shank diameter; for Douglas-fir and
Southern Pine, 60% to 75%; and for dense hardwoods, such
as oaks, 65% to 85%. The smaller percentage in each range
applies to lag screws of the smaller diameters and the larger
percentage to lag screws of larger diameters. Soap or similar
lubricants should be used on the screw to facilitate turning,
and lead holes slightly larger than those recommended for
maximum efficiency should be used with long screws.
In determining the withdrawal resistance, the allowable
tensile strength of the lag screw at the net (root) section
should not be exceeded. Penetration of the threaded part to a
distance about seven times the shank diameter in the denser
species (specific gravity greater than 0.61) and 10 to 12 times
the shank diameter in the less dense species (specific gravity
less than 0.42) will develop approximately the ultimate
tensile strength of the lag screw. Penetrations at intermediate
densities may be found by straight-line interpolation.
The resistance to withdrawal of a lag screw from the endgrain
surface of a piece of wood is about three-fourths as great
as its resistance to withdrawal from the side-grain surface of
the same piece.

hope that helps Grin

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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2009, 09:52:34 PM »

AlanM
that sounds pretty authoritative - though I think the correlation between structural strength and density is unproven. but best explanation I have had yet! I just normally go by eye and instinst..
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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2009, 12:38:11 AM »

I like the way it says "three-fourths" instead of three quaters, 3/4, 75% etc...
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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2009, 08:42:37 AM »

Can't help thinking that this is an American publication - some of the English is a bit strange....
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2009, 09:43:01 AM »

Sean, have you looked into the modern equivalents of lag screws? Technology seems to have come a long way even with simple things like screws. We used Heco Topix 8x200 to fix roof counter battens through insulation and into 45mm wide rafters.  No pre-drilling required, the T-star head makes driving and guiding very easy.

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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2009, 02:44:31 PM »

Hi Klaus
sorry I didn't answer earlier. If I Use Hanger bolts there is not a great deal of choice I'm afraid with brackets this sounds like a very good suggestion
Sean
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