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tommfuller
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« on: June 30, 2009, 01:31:41 PM »

Hi Folks,

I am looking to install a small pool, and I'd like to heat it as "solarly" as possible.

  • The pool is relatively small (endless pool, 7ft x 14ft, approx 9m3 water volume).
  • It will be installed inside a relatively well insulated room. It will also have a retractable security cover fitted which should pretty much stop evaporation when the pool's not in use. I was anticipating running a dehumidifier in the room. I am hoping that by limiting cooling of the pool I can minimse the heating requirements. Pool walls and floor will also be insulated.
  • The room is in a converted steading with a long, south facing roof. The roof pitch is about 40 degrees I think.
  • The pool doesn't need to be too hot, not hot tub temps anyway, as it is for training. Probably mid 20s C.
  • The house is in Aberdeenshire, a touch over 57deg North.
  • Pool would be in use for 1-2 hours a day probably.

I'm hoping you guys can help me out with some of the following:

  • How many and what type of tubes would I need?
  • Should I tilt the tubes up a bit on the roof to get a better angle?
  • What size heat exchanger should I use?
  • Is it likely that with such a large body of water in it, that the pool room will be kept at a fairly even temperature even without heating?
  • How much of the year should I expect to have to heat the pool with non-solar sources?

Cheers,

Tom.
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2009, 04:06:45 PM »

It will take 10kwh to heat the pool by one degree.    Depending on temperature and insulation you would need to allow for a few degrees per day.    My 60 tubes have averaged 10,11 and 13 Kwh per day total in April,   May and June respectively.   If you can arrange for well insulated south facing windows you would gain much more  heat.   The most important  consideration in an indoor pool is to recover the heat and water from the water vapour in the room, using heat recovery ventilation, this keeps the walls dry and help insulation as well as prevent structural deterioration.     Needless to say insulation needs to be as good as possible.   
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 12:12:51 PM »

Insulation is your best investment.  In so far as you are able over specify that (i.e. if you have an existing building that may limit what you can do, but don't stint around the pool walls / floor if that is not yet built).

Pool companies, IME, give no/little thought to energy saving.  They provide "reliable" filtration pumps, not "low energy" ones.  I've asked my pool company several times to recommend an energy efficient pump - their response: "Your pump works, why would you want to change it?".

They sell pools to people who can afford them, energy efficiency probably not a priority to their well heeled customers Sad

Actually, their well heeled customers can EASILY afford the extra capital cost of energy efficient pumps, the pool company is missing out on some extra turnover.

Ho!Hum!

The sun shines more, and is hotter, in Summer, obviously. So if you specify your Solar Panels for Winter, or even Spring/Autumn, you will have too much heat in Summer. You will have to "dump" that heat somewhere.  Possibly into your domestic hot water system? (but that needs far less than a pool, so probably a bad choice, but you could almost certainly have DHW for free in the Summer)

My pool is enclosed in a greenhouse type thing. Your building will be far more thermally efficient. My enclosure captures huge amounts of heat, and keeps the chilling wind away, and as a result my pool needs almost no external heating from June to end September. We heat if from April and stop swimming end October - mid November (because the cost of heating becomes expensive, and swimming with low ambient temperatures is not enjoyable).

We used about 1,000L of Oil last year from start of April to end of October (excluding an allowance for what we used for DHW; this figure might include a bit for central heating, but the house tends not to need heating after start of April, or until November).

1,000L of oil and an 80-90% efficient boiler would be around 7,808 - 8,786 kWh / season. I've added some kWh per month in the table below.

My pool is about 100 cu.M, surface area = 70 sq.M

A standard 20 evacuated tube 47 mm solar panel will give you the following average kWh/day for each of the 12 months (perhaps a bit less for you as you are fairly North Smiley ).  3rd column is my oil usage/month for last year converted to approx kWh/day [for that month]

Jan   1.19
Feb   2.24
Mar   3.95
Apr   6.19 102 (Some of this early usage is getting the pool from 50F to 80F! some may be oil for CH)
May   8.08 121
Jun   8.03  17
Jul   8.44   0
Aug   7.14   9
Sep   5.09  30
Oct   2.94  18
Nov   1.58
Dec   0.93

I reckon you need to do some heat-loss calculations

"It will also have a retractable security cover fitted which should pretty much stop evaporation when the pool's not in use."

That will also reduce chemical usage as it will retain the chlorine better too.
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2009, 05:16:36 AM »

A couple of things to note:

Don't use any copper with pool water. The chlorine isn't good for it and if the PH goes south of 7 you will end up with pin-hole leaks in just a few years. Use stainless steel or titanium for your solar loop to pool water heat exchanger. Again, no copper exposed to pool water.

As someone said earlier, you will have variation in the seasons. My recommendation is to tilt your collectors about 10 degrees above your latitude and install a 3 way valve and an automatic differential controller that dumps excess heat to domestic hot water tank or a domestic hot water preheat tank and/or a small out door pool/pond. Outdoor ponds are the best heat dumps because there are no fans to fail and they take advantage of the open waters evaporative cooling ability (latent heat) which is quite good compared to conduction alone.
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2009, 08:28:57 AM »

Hi Folks,

Really appreciate the replies, should have said so earlier eh??  Embarrassed sorry...!

The pool's ordered now... and the building is ongoing (rennovating the steading etc) so I'm getting closer to having to make a decision on the heating system. I've been mulling over lots of different options - I probably need to start a new thread on it as I'm not sure solar will be the entire solution!

Cheers,

Tom.
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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2009, 12:24:38 PM »

Since posting those figures in July I have installed Solar Panels for my DHW / Pool.

Two months data is not much to go on, but I have only achieved 1/3rd of the target and others have voiced that they are not surprised and that the published figures are very optimistic.
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2009, 01:28:46 PM »

Hmmm, good to know. I am not quite convinced that solar up as far north as I am is going to be cost effective, certainly not on its own.

The search continues!

Cheers,

Tom.
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