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dhaslam
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« on: July 05, 2009, 05:40:31 PM »

The Eco village in Cloughjordan, Co Tipperary has finally commenced construction.   www.thevillage.ie  The plan is to build 130 new houses on the 65 acre site with various communal facilities.  One of the shared facilities is district heating.   There is to be two large woodchip burners  and 500 sq metres of solar panels.    The photographs below show the shed for the woodchip boilers from the fuel intake side. The other one is the base for the solar panels.  The solar panels are going to be flat panels and there doesn't seem to be  a plane to elevate them in winter.  There will be hot water storage in each house  and storage tanks in the building so presumably there will be timed heat transfers.  They are claiming only two percent loss in distribution.  The panels only represent 3.8 sq metres per house but since one third of the sites are unsold there will initially be more heat per house.   There was  a grant of €750,000 for the heating system.
In the longer term electricity generation is being considered but initially electricity will be from a renewable source.   Longer term heat storage is being considered and should have had higher priority to even out solar production.     
There are a few aspects of the initial buildings that don't look  right.   The roadways are all hard surface and the main ones use concrete bricks.  The other is that the houses, so far, look very conventional don't  seem to make proper use of sunlight.   There are two kit houses imported from Austria and one block  (below) is timber frame with hemp walls.   
The project started ten years ago and the site was bought something like five years ago.  They seem to have missed the building boom and many prospective buyers may not be able to sell their present houses to fund the build.


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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2009, 05:41:48 PM »

Photo the base for the solar panels


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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2009, 05:44:07 PM »

These are three of the five initial buildings, nos 23-25 on the plan.


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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2009, 05:59:52 PM »

My initial impression is "look at all of that concrete?"
And, as you said, those houses don't look like they will take advantage of passive solar?
I hope it isn't like those houses on grand designs that call themselves eco but what they really mean is that they use a little less energy than a normal house?
I like the Idea of district heating, I wonder if they will run a heat pump to extract heat out of the waste water? Do they grow there own fuel for the boiler?
I am not trying to knock it, well maybe I am? Undecided
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PS No flues for masonry stoves?
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I WILL KEEP BANGING ON ABOUT MASONRY STOVES
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2009, 06:35:34 PM »

They will grow some trees at the northern end of the site.  However I presume that the wood chip is available as a waste product because there is quite a lot of a timber being harvested in the area.    There was no mention of sewage systems at all which probably means that the sewage goes into the town system.  There will be some rain water gathering to be used for irrigation but the houses will collect their own rainwater.  There is so little experience of well insulated houses that architects don't seem to realize that  south facing windows without shading will turn rooms into ovens in mid summer. The terraced houses will have nearly  half of their window area  facing north.    Most of the problems the site is experiencing is the cost of the sites.   The 65 acre site cost a few hundred thousand  but are being sold for a total of about ten million.  This is a bit against the eco principle.   Millions are being invested in the infrastructure but the project might have been developed more economically.     
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2009, 06:48:19 PM »

We have some so called Eco homes built near us,

but I have agree with daftlad that the houses do not seem to use aything more than super insulation, a woodburning stove (nowhere to store the logs!) a solar panel for DHW  (hurray!) a rain water butt (wow!) and are being sold at a premium for being eco!  wackoold tumble
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2009, 10:54:15 PM »

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There is so little experience of well insulated houses that architects don't seem to realize that  south facing windows without shading will turn rooms into ovens in mid summer.

yup. as a result of increased insulation standards in modern 'rabbit hutches',  lots of people are spending on aircon, which results in even more energy use. A net loss, according to my friendly senior building inspector.

We have learned to open lots of windows and doors during the cool hours before bedtime in order to cool our timber framed block skinned house enough to feel comfortable at night.

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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2009, 10:11:39 AM »

How could they get it so wrong. Why could the solar panels not be put on the roof of the houses and biomass shed leaving all that space for producing lots of fruit and veg.
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2009, 12:48:32 PM »

Anyone that can afford to buy one probably won`t have the first clue how to grow veg  Wink
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