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Author Topic: Info on using Cooking Oil in Diesel powered cars  (Read 9371 times)
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« on: December 11, 2006, 08:54:32 PM »

Hello All,

Can anyone provide advice and information on the use of Cooking Oil in Diesel car engines.

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AParry
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2006, 11:04:25 PM »

YES! is the answer. Thing is, there is so much information/opinion around that to try and sum up in a single post is impossible. Some people use veg oil in their engines in a quick and dirty way - others wont take any risks at all and spend hundreds on elaborate set-ups. Have a really good mooch around on here--  http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/index.php  -- and then make your own mind up.
I can tell you from my own experience that if you have a Citroen or peugeot with the xud engine and BOSCH injector pump you have about the safest bet to play about with.
I have saved myself loads of dosh (even with paying tax on it) and generated glowing feeling inside from motoring around on the most benign of toxic waste!  Grin

Go fer it...... Smiley

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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2006, 10:52:16 AM »

pour it in and off you go !







You will ALWAYS be hungry though Smiley


As said pugs with bosch pumps love it i did aproximately 20 000 miles running on it in a 505 turbo diesel this was long before it became popular total mileage of the engine was over 500 000 and 200 of that was done by me

I still regret selling it i have other so called better cars but the 505 was the best ever

One thing to watch is if you have too much oil to diesel it will be hard to start when cold
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2006, 08:28:37 PM »

Dear Frotter and swiththelightsoff

Thanks very much for your advice and link. Now how do I 'slip' the oil in without the wife knowing Smiley


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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2006, 12:27:14 AM »

LOL! well just get yerself a funnel with a long spout.....
Hows her sense of smell though....??
Anyhow - she should be up for it surely? You just need to do a good sales job on the environmental/financial benefits.
Job's a good 'un!

Frot.    Grin
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2006, 09:37:21 AM »

There has been much discussion and many ideas on filtering WVO, but all this has made me very confussed.
Coluld you tell me how you both do it, as you are actually using it rather than just commenting on how to do it.
Do you de water or filter etc.

kind regards Huh

Stephen
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2006, 10:00:14 AM »

I was using svo straight from the shop !

WVO is a different matter depends where it comes from i have used it occasionally but just filtered it through some fine stocking ! also left it for a while for any water to seperate then drained it off

I felt it was not worth the hastle unless you could do it on a large scale

I no longer have a diesel car as al mine are lpg
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2006, 02:13:26 PM »

Over the time i have been spreading fat all around the place i have had a go at several different approaches. Started off making 'proper' biodiesel with caustic soda, methanol, heat and fear. After a couple of small methanol 'incidents' (it's ever so volatile - ahem. Underpants clean now..) i gave that up and took to using used oil. For ages i had an almost limitless supply from a local KFC - until they came over all Health & Safety Jobsworth blah blah..
The method that works best for me with USED oil (as its SIMPLE) is - whatever oil you get pour it into a largish container (i use a plastic domestic cold water tank from local tip). Pour it through a mesh of some kind to strain out chips etc (really!). Old fine clean garden or large kithchen sieve would do. When the gunky stuff at the bottom of the container starts to come out STOP. This stuff may clear in warmer weather if you can store it til the summer otherwise have a bonfire!
You'll need to know how much oil you have roughly and then pour in about 5% by volume of ANY PETROL. dont panic it will be fine. Hey, i'm a doctor....  Undecided
Stir it for a few minutes to mix it up then LEAVE it to settle for at least 3 or 4 days. You will find all the cloudiness, crud, water, scampi will fall to the bottom in a nourishing soup.
To skim off the golden liquid of destiny i made a simple floating siphon by fixing some clear tubing to a half filled 500ml plastic bottle so that the open end of t' tube is suspended about an inch below the surface. If you have some sort of shut off/clamp/tap on the output end of your tube you will only need to suck it once! When drawing off the fuel into clean containers keep an eye on the pipe. At the first sign of ANY cloudiness/gunk appearing stop the flow and thats your lot. You only need to remove this gunge every so often. If you use a 50 gallon tank it can be ages before it builds up too much. Cold weather will make more of the oil cloudy so wait for a warm day before chucking out the gunk as you will get more usable clear stuff out.

The car - The main problems will be :-
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Cold starts. Gradually mix some of your Fatfuel in with the normal diesel up to the point where it is obviously having to crank more etc. I run 3 diesel vehicles.
Puegeot boxer 1.9 which starts reasonably well even in cold weather on 100% Fatfuel
My wife's Pug 405 1.9TD which to make it more civilised and transparent we run on about 50-60% Fat mix in the tank.
1986 VW Transporter 1.6 non turbo. This currently has a twin tank system as it will NOT start on 100% fat which is what i prefer to use so  it has a small tank with starting fuel in which i swithch over as soon as engine starts. Runs great on it once going.
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FUEL FILTER (!!)
If you only use really clear fatfuel in a mix say 50% the filter probably wont be a problem. The usual problem (and almost always why a veg oiled car will stop!) is that a cold filter will bung up with thick, cold veg oil. Running engines on 100% fat really needs the fuel to be heated before it enters the filter. I use an inline electric fuel heater which i made (though you can buy them) and when i can be arsed to fit them a water/fuel heat exchanger to heat the fuel. I also put a throwaway inline plastic filter in the fuel line before the main filter so you can see if any crud gets through. Keep a couple in yer glove box. I have left many of these solid with lard in lay-bys over the years....   Wink
Also make really sure all your fuel line connections are AIRTIGHT. ANY air bubbles in the fuel line will at best make the thing run pathetically or more likely not AT ALL.

You will probably have a bit of trouble these days collecting oil as everyone has got really girly about it! If you know someone who works in a school, pub, cafe, chipvan etc chat 'em up.
Or, yeah you can do what loads of folk do and  buy new oil. Not as cheap now as it used to be. Funny that.....

TAX
Well - i am registered and pay some (now  angel) but its too big and dull a topic to explore here. Loads of info elsewhere about it. Just DONT dilute yer fatfuel with household heating oil!!!! It contains an invisible red Euromarker and is the SAME as using red diesel on the road. Vehicle impounding, huge fine territory..    ask me how i know some day... police  Angry

Smells great too!

Frot

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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2006, 08:51:19 AM »

Thanks frotter, that’s most informative. If I understand you right you don’t filter through micron filters etc, just tip a bit of petrol in, add a pinch of time waiting then decant?
If it’s easy it can’t go too wrong.
I am going to run the oil in my lister which in turn will spin a wind turbine head connected to one of Ivan’s small grid tie invertors.
I agree with you regarding getting oil from chip shops and KFC etc. someone in our area takes it all for animal food but they don’t take it from our canteen (I do) Grin I can get a steady 15L per week which should be about 25-30 hours of running dependent on load.
I hope to have the engine complete over Christmas, assuming I can slope off for the odd hour.

Thanks again.
Stephen

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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2006, 09:59:51 AM »

Yep - no filtering. The longer you can leave it to settle the better it gets. If youre in a hurry put more petrol in (you can happily put in up to about 30%, though its expensive...) and it will settle much quicker.
15 litres per week and a Lister? sounds heavenly...!

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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2006, 12:19:38 PM »

As far as I was aware using waste vegetable oil as animal feed is now illegal because of accumulation of dioxins in the foodchain
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2006, 08:50:28 AM »

Pass on that! where does all the waste oil go then any idea.?

suppose we are getting off the tread now...sorry.

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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2006, 01:37:38 PM »

Waste oil should either be processed into fuel, incinerated, or landfilled.

The law changed in Novemember 2004. Anyone taking waste oil from a catering premises and feeding it to livestock is committing an offence. - Animal byproducts Regs - EC 1774/2002
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2006, 07:40:38 PM »

Best way to incinerate it is in a cheap diesel 405 or Xantia, i reckon!

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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2006, 09:43:08 PM »

Waste oil should either be processed into fuel, incinerated, or landfilled.

The law changed in Novemember 2004. Anyone taking waste oil from a catering premises and feeding it to livestock is committing an offence. - Animal byproducts Regs - EC 1774/2002

But am I missing something?  The wvo has just been collected from the local chippie where us mortals have sampled the products cooked in that  wvo only days before.  Yet its not fit to be fed to animals!!

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