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« on: July 15, 2009, 08:51:21 PM »

http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/what_we_do/uk_supply/energy_mix/renewable/res/res.aspx

The main immediate highlight is that we will have a new Office for Renewables Deployment (ORED) to push all this along.

http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/what_we_do/uk_supply/energy_mix/renewable/ored/ored.aspx

Looks like these will be the guys who implement FITs.

ORED are currently looking to recruit an 'expert' to lead them. They are also advised by RAB - http://www.renewables-advisory-board.org.uk/

RAB is chaired by - errrr - Ed Miliband.   wackoteapot
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2009, 11:31:24 PM »

That first document is quite long, about 200 pages but the word "storage" only occurs once and the word "solar" only a few times.  While  offshore wind generation and tidal schemes have their place  in evening out electricity generation it is not going to work very well without storage.   The other problem  that only 1% of heating comes from renewable  sources needs a lot more attention.  Shifting heating to biofuels is already quite controversial.  Ok for remote villages but not sensible for large cities.   What it looks like is moderate ambitions and even more moderate hope of success.     
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2009, 12:05:44 AM »

This may be a bit of a ramble.... sorry
The problem is the only organisation that can put the environment above there financial situation is the government and they are idiots.
Some of us population do it a bit but not enough of the population and not enough and business really does not give a flying fig.
The public need someone to look up to, to give them an ideal to look towards, we can not imagine how we will cut our carbon output by 10 percent let alone half.
Can this or any government really be trusted to guide us through such an important transition? (from fossil fuels to renewables) Do they believe in man made climate change?
I think the answer is NO to both of the questions.
Business is allowed to pollute with little or no consequences.
There is a large department store in the west end of London that has diesel generators on its roof running to provide power to the shop because EDF would not give them a bigger electricity supply, I mean what the..... one or two mega watts of power produced by internal combustion engine just so people can see there purchases illuminated by halogen lamps rather than CFL's
We need some joined up thinking on this one, to stop business wasting energy and to persuade them to generate or at least save.
Sorry for the rant but this thread kind of prompted me.
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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2009, 02:37:47 AM »

Here's my summary of the FITs content.

FITs are covered in this doc:  IA for the small-scale electricity sector

4 scenarios have been modelled:

1. “8% ROI”
2. “lead scenario”
3. “3.5% community”
4. “non-microgen"

1. 8% ROI - not seen as a practical proposition. Assumes mainly PV
Predicts 2.8 million installations by 2020 generating 8TWh
Assumes wind is deployed at sites with 6.5m/s average wind speed

2. lead scenario
Based on the 8% ROI model but with refinements and additional consistency with existing ROC system
Lower tariff for PV compared to 8% ROI model.
Assumes wind is deployed at sites with 5.5m/s average wind speed
Predicts 870,000 installations by 2020 generating 6TWh

3. 3.5% community
Tariff levels set to stimulate 3.5% of electricity from renewables across all scales by 2020
Offers higher tariffs to small wind and PV and lower tariffs for larger scale systems
Predicts 1.2 million installations by 2020 generating 11TWh

4. non-microgen - set to incentivise installations in the 2-5MW range
Tariff would be £165/MWh
Predicts 8,600 installations by 2020 generating 6TWh
"negligible" household take-up

Reading between the lines (I can't see it stated anywhere explicitly) is that if you sign up for FITs
you will not be able to claim ROCs. 

The report recommends scenario 2 - lead scenario

"This schedule of tariffs is projected to deliver a wide range of technologies which will allow
competitive markets to develop, driving innovation and bringing down costs into the future.
Tariffs have been proposed at such a level that significant numbers of householders, communities,
businesses and public sector organisations will have the opportunity to become producers of
renewable electricity, bringing electricity generation into the public arena and fostering
behavioural change."

Apparently there is a detailed report produced by Element Energy/Poyry
("Design of Feed-in Tariffs for sub-5MW Electricity in Great Britain - Quantitative Analysis")
but that doesn't appear to have been published yet.

This is what the report says about MCS accredited systems:

Accreditation
87. An accreditation requirement for participation in FITs, (such as the microgeneration
certification scheme (MCS) which is for (sic) a requirement for participation in the Low Carbon
Buildings Programme grant scheme) for product manufacturers should improve product reliability
but may also have anti-competitive effects which may raise the cost of delivering small-scale
renewable electricity generation.

88. Enforced accreditation is likely to lead to enhanced product reliability and may bring
health and safety benefits over and above existing standards. However, such a system would
impose costs on potential new entrants to the UK market for small-scale electricity generation
capital goods. This barrier to entry may also shelter incumbent (already accredited) firms
from competition and allow them to gain from high prices for their products as demand increases
with the introduction of FITs. Higher prices resulting from high levels of concentration in
manufacturing and supply chain industries could constrain demand and raise the level of support
required for any given level of generation. These impacts have not been quantified.

So this doesn't actually say that systems must be MCS accredited but it does look like it is pointing that way.

Appendix A contains some illustrative tariff figures for the different scenarios but needs more explanation.
(some of the figures for wind under the 8% ROI model must be errors e.g. B-M <1.5kW urban £4,930/MWh
when under the 3.5% scenario the figure is only £300/MWh)

Samples for the lead scenario:

PV (retrofit domestic 0-4kW) £365/MWh
Wind (1.5 - 15kW rural) £230/MWh   
Hydro (1 - 10 kW) £170/MWh

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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2009, 06:39:29 AM »

Ted,

Well done for ploughing through all that.

Useful summary.

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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2009, 09:20:46 AM »

From my personal experience I would not trust DECC with our renewable future. 

Apparently the standard ORC technology used throughout Europe is according to DECC "highly complex".  At least it works is reliable and can be replicated
easily.

http://www.bios-bioenergy.at/en/references/all-projects/lienz.html

Is it just me or am I right in thinking that the technology used at lienz is quite simple. 
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2009, 12:13:33 PM »

http://www.decc.gov.uk/Media/viewfile.ashx?FilePath=Consultations\Renewable%20Electricity%20Financial%20Incentives\1_20090715135609_e_@@_RenewableElectricityFinancialIncentivesconsultationfinalwithcover.pdf&filetype=4
Here's the Consultation Document that sets out DECC intentions, on FITs etc. So far as I can see Ted has summarised the Regulatory impact document the above is what they are now consulting on until October 09 before intoducing FITs by April 2110
They come down strongly for keeping the MCS scheme. So that stuffs DIY yet again. Got to be a way of Navitron becoming an approved installer with DIY labour!!
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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2009, 12:47:50 PM »

Got to be a way of Navitron becoming an approved installer with DIY labour!!


Kensa, the heat pump people, commission their system over the phone. Anything like this possible for other technologies?
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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2009, 01:04:56 PM »

Ted,

36.5p per kWh for my PV under the lead scenario is a great step forward.  Grin  My DIY system would payback in about 15 years or sooner.

Do we know the probability that the lead scenario will be chosen? Politically its a vote winner as the Conservatives are committed to home micro generation which will make "non-microgen" a vote loser.

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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2009, 04:57:53 PM »

Sorry Paul, those total generation rates only apply to new systems.

Existing systems will get 9p per kWh and forego ROCs - in other words just the double-ROC value you get now.

Plus about 5p/kWh for exported units.

The proposal is that if you are currently registered for ROCs and your system is < 50kW then you will be automatically, and compulsorily, transferred to FITs from next April by OFGEM.  You will continue to receive the FIT benefit until 2027.  As a note for existing systems between 50kW and 5MW they will have to remain in the RO system and cannot convert to FITs. The RO itself will be changed to limit support of a system under it to a maximum of 20 years.

The rationale is that there will be no grant incentives for new systems and that existing systems are assumed to have benefited from an up-front grant.  If you have an entirely self-financed system with no grant then this leaves a gap - and is a worthwhile consultation comment to submit.

There are separate arrangements for interim installations (Sean - this will almost certainly apply to you)  - i.e. those that have not yet applied to be ROC registered - they will get the full FIT value - but will have a notional six month period deducted from their FIT eligibility period.

There is another nasty gotcha (in para 4.9) that needs to be flagged.  This says that anyone with an operational system as of 15th July 2009 who has not yet registered for ROCs will be ineligible to get FITs.  Bad luck if your system was installed earlier this week and you are slow with paperwork.  Another major item to flag in the consultation responses, I think (An appropriate response to Q64 for anyone trying to follow this).  I find it hard to believe that DECC have deliberately created a crack for people to fall down here.

Another nasty gotcha at para 4.15.  For any non-household systems (e.g. community group, school, etc) that go live in the interim period and that received a central government grant (LCBP) they will have to pay this back in order to enter the FITs scheme. Householders are presumably allowed to keep it.



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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2009, 05:15:46 PM »

Well since I'm not registered with anyone yet, nor had a grant, mine counts as a new system. I will take the panels off my "temporary experimental install" on the conservatory roof. They should be properly installed on the roof anyway for better solar gain.

-Paul

Sorry Paul, those total generation rates only apply to new systems.

Existing systems will get 9p per kWh and forego ROCs - in other words just the double-ROC value you get now.

Plus about 5p/kWh for exported units.

The proposal is that if you are currently registered for ROCs and your system is < 50kW then you will be automatically, and compulsorily, transferred to FITs from next April by OFGEM.  You will continue to receive the FIT benefit until 2027.  As a note for existing systems between 50kW and 5MW they will have to remain in the RO system and cannot convert to FITs. The RO itself will be changed to limit support of a system under it to a maximum of 20 years.

The rationale is that there will be no grant incentives for new systems and that existing systems are assumed to have benefited from an up-front grant.  If you have an entirely self-financed system with no grant then this leaves a gap - and is a worthwhile consultation comment to submit.

There are separate arrangements for interim installations (Sean - this will almost certainly apply to you)  - i.e. those that have not yet applied to be ROC registered - they will get the full FIT value - but will have a notional six month period deducted from their FIT eligibility period.

There is another nasty gotcha (in para 4.9) that needs to be flagged.  This says that anyone with an operational system as of 15th July 2009 who has not yet registered for ROCs will be ineligible to get FITs.  Bad luck if your system was installed earlier this week and you are slow with paperwork.  Another major item to flag in the consultation responses, I think (An appropriate response to Q64 for anyone trying to follow this).  I find it hard to believe that DECC have deliberately created a crack for people to fall down here.

Another nasty gotcha at para 4.15.  For any non-household systems (e.g. community group, school, etc) that go live in the interim period and that received a central government grant (LCBP) they will have to pay this back in order to enter the FITs scheme. Householders are presumably allowed to keep it.




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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2009, 05:16:36 PM »

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I thought 4.15 was an option and you could choose whether to stick with Roc's or pay the grant back and get FIT
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2009, 05:17:00 PM »

....mine counts as a new system

Sounds like there needs to be a lot of post deleting from this forum then?
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2009, 05:42:51 PM »

Well since I'm not registered with anyone, nor got a grant mine counts as a new system
-Paul

Ahh, OK then. I thought I remembered you posting that you had got ROC payments.  
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2009, 05:58:37 PM »

Ted

I thought 4.15 was an option and you could choose whether to stick with Roc's or pay the grant back and get FIT

Reading it again it is not really clear if 4.15 only applies to systems over 50kW. If so then yes, you will have a choice of staying with ROCs.

For upto 50kW you've no choice - you have to go to FITs.
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