Quote from Gas installer magazine.

[Alan]

Quote from Gas installer magazine. Cookers with a separate grill manufactured by Beko and Belling are at the centre of an investigation surrounding six cases of fatal carbon monoxide poisoning.

If you have one maybeee think twice about putting the lunch on.

Regards

Alan

[rhys]

http://www.which.co.uk/news/2009/05/popular-cookers-linked-to-six-deaths-176022.jsp

May 2009 report above - its a bit worrying that the Gas Fitters are only now being told in their trade mag!!

[Ivan]

According to the article, the risk is associated with operating the grill with the grill door shut.....akin to running the car in your garage with the garage door closed. It's due to customer stupidity rather than poor design.

Does this mean that all other gas-grills are ok to be run with door shut?

[Pat_]

Are you saying that the reason for the high carbon monoxide level from car exhaust is because the garage door limits the oxygen availability?

That's something I never thought about, but I've seen/read at least two stories where the car was parked in the open and a pipe ran from the exhaust in through a window or a hole in the car. You're suggesting that would be more likely to cause carbon dioxide poisoning then. So the ficticious police investigators were wrong!

[Alan]

Quote “ its a bit worrying that the Gas Fitters are only now being told in their trade mag!!  ”

In fairness it was in the June magazine.

My work is typically in the Megawatt gas fired appliances. I typically don’t read the magazine as it tends to totally disregard the blatantly dangerous and illegal things that happen in industry on a daily basis.

Quote “ Are you saying that the reason for the high carbon monoxide level from car exhaust is because the garage door limits the oxygen availability? “

Putting things in perspective.

Some one that smokes is still breathing out levels of Carbon Monoxide in the region of 100 parts per million several minuets after putting the cigarette out.

A very, very, very large boiler would typically have less than 100 parts per million Carbon Monoxide inside the boiler flue while it is running.

An old car typical 1970 would typically emit Carbon Monoxide in levels between 4000 – to 18000 parts per million. While running in the closed garage.

Exposure to 1600 parts per million.

Headache, dizziness and nausea in five to ten minutes. Death within 30 minutes

Exposure to 6400 parts per million.

Headache and dizziness in one to two minutes. Convulsions, respiratory arrest, and death in less than 20 minutes.

Exposure to 12800 parts per million.

Unconsciousness after 2-3 breaths. Death in less than three minutes.

Maybeee time for people to pack up smoking.

Regards

Alan

[itsnewtome]

According to the article, the risk is associated with operating the grill with the grill door shut.....akin to running the car in your garage with the garage door closed. It's due to customer stupidity rather than poor design.

Does this mean that all other gas-grills are ok to be run with door shut?

I've just fiited my new kitchen with amongst items a Zanussi oven. I had a letter from the manufacturers stating their was a potential problem like this one. I had to check the serial no. to see if mine was affected - which it wasn't.
But it leads me to think that whilst one manufacturer gets caught out the others are quickly remedying the same situation which exists on their own models.
Like you say Ivan user at fault rather than oven