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Author Topic: Integrated woodburner, solar tubes, oil combi and underground heatstore.  (Read 27639 times)
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« Reply #225 on: June 11, 2010, 10:44:24 PM »

Mmmm....chemicals.

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« Reply #226 on: June 12, 2010, 08:11:36 PM »

Mmmm....chemicals.

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Anyone fancy a pint??

By the way Noel ................. brown stain halfway down....goon suit........festering blisters..... is this thread "X" rated perchance

Good luck mate

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« Reply #227 on: June 12, 2010, 08:40:22 PM »

Ah yes, X rated chemicals and brown stains.
Who would have thought Blister Puss would be so topical ....



Back down t'pit and the replacement resin is coming along ok. Just not much fun and always waiting for it to set enough to be able to do a bit more.

Had a 'Hawkie' moment and borrowed a food container that looked like it would fit in a 3" gap and accommodate a torbeck float valve.  Well it wasn't really doing anything .....

Seeing as theres a 25mm MDPE water pipe running past the gravy pit, it seemed wrong not to use it to keep the pit topped up.

So  bish bosh, holes, pipes, odd fittings and wahey an automatic top up, that will also work as an overflow to ensure the water remains within a max / min level, allowing for expansion.  I can play with the level a bit with the adjustment on the torbeck float but the overflow will need to be right.

All had to be done before the resin work was completed and while the pit was drained.


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« Reply #228 on: June 12, 2010, 08:43:27 PM »

header tank -

Mark 2 respirator -


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« Reply #229 on: June 12, 2010, 10:08:04 PM »

Noel, surely you're not sending Henry down there  Shocked
I was disappointed not to see your name in the Honours List for your "Contribution to the Future of Archaeology"  Cool
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« Reply #230 on: June 12, 2010, 10:38:30 PM »

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I was disappointed not to see your name in the Honours List for your "Contribution to the Future of Archaeology" 

More likely to end up on the annual Darwin Awards I suspect, especially when that little bit of sticky tape covering the bare wire on Henrys lead, gives up in the heat.  wackoold

I see Lard Frot got an OBE though.
Turns out hes been running the Dartmoor National Park Authority rather well
Explains the lack of recent postings here, I reckon.
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« Reply #231 on: June 19, 2010, 11:51:39 PM »

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I see Lard Frot got an OBE though.
Turns out hes been running the Dartmoor National Park Authority rather well
Explains the lack of recent postings here, I reckon.
Another episode of Tower tales is overdue if there is any truth in this rumour? 
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« Reply #232 on: June 30, 2010, 07:23:53 PM »

Hmmm

Tower Tales and Lard Frot .....  you infer theres some connection ......
If he wasnt so busy with his national park perhaps ?

Anyway out of duty and loyalty to all would be chemists, I have a report to file -

First up the pit went a very fetching shade of vinylester blue -

'Traffic Light Blue' according to the label  ralph



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« Reply #233 on: June 30, 2010, 07:33:47 PM »

then the reconfigured heat exchangers went back in.
Surprisingly easy this time round.
Practise makes perfect I suppose.
No lawn protection needed either  whistlie
Found my roll of 2.5mm earth wire after I'd stripped down a bit of twin and earth, so the zinc anode, cross bonding between plumbing cirtcuits and external earth rod have a nice selection of wire colours.

no doubt the regs are still valid even though bare copper would be perfectly ok  angel


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« Reply #234 on: June 30, 2010, 07:39:50 PM »

brilliant post as usual.

ps  min size of bonding would be 4mm2 if its not protected, and would be insulated as well.

never mind the electrics anyway.

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« Reply #235 on: June 30, 2010, 08:18:30 PM »

really hope this is going to work thats a nice shinny pit there.
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« Reply #236 on: June 30, 2010, 08:43:06 PM »

Then the pit was refilled with mains water, plus a few buckets of stream water, cos I like the idea that the stream water brings something different to the party.

The Torbeck valve works well and if I dip a couple of buckets out, the valve dutifully tops the heatstore up.
( I was worried that the Torbek float had to fully drop to trigger a top up )
Not much chance of the header tank stealing much heat, as the feed pipe is a foot long piece of 15mm speedfit and any flow from the heatstore to the header tank due to expansion of the stored water as it heats up, will be pretty limited. The overflow level is set 50mm above the top up level, so hopefully, with max expansion raising the water level in the store by 35mm, we will not overflow unless there is a problem with the heat exchangers or the torbeck valve.
Before winter I will apply expanding foam to encapsulate the header tank as much as possible and will probably stuff some rockwool up the overflow pipe to stop cold air getting into the header tank from outside.

Then on to the next challenge -

The lid of the store consists of a slab of 4" thick PU foam sculpted to fit the opening and shaped 'spillback' areas that cover the  pipework.
Now this lid had become so heavy, it was sagging under its own weight !
Yup, it was fully saturated with water.
I thought that standing it on its end and leaving it to bask in warm sunshine for a few days would drain it dry but amazingly, it fully retains all its water and pressing a thumb into an undisturbed bit of silver covering, produces drops of water.

This means that any cellotex that gets wet,  WILL STAY WET !!!!    They don't tell you that do they.
Leak in the UFH ? yeah no worries mate ...........

Roof leak into that super insulated ceiling ? no worries, the insulation should stop the water getting into the room below for longer than you think .......

Sooooo ...

I made another lid.
Much measuring  and walking between pit and workshop to cut some more and eventually the lid sat as it should.
Now to make up any gap between the underside of the lid and the ledge it sits on, I had already developed a trick with expanding foam laid onto a thin layer of plastic sheeting lid on top then weigh it down while it expands and sets.

Trouble is, expanding foam doesn't care how much weight you put on the lid, as it either lifts it as it expands, or it continues to expand once the lid is removed and the plastic sheet removed from the foam, allowing a bit more air and moisture to encourage further expansion and setting. Doh !

So I used the belt sander to work it back, using the general shape of the foam as a clue, with several more wanders between workshop and pit to check the fit.

Got a good fit  and in order to stop the new lid from turning into a water filled monster , I decided to give it a coat of vinylester resin as that helpful techie made sure I bought 'enough' resin to do the job.

So why did the vinylester resin dissolve the expanding (PU) foam a bit but not the cellotex (PU) foam Huh  banghead

And why did the whole lid curve upwards by a couple of inches leaving only the four corners touching Huh  banghead

Bl00dy Chemists, they should stay out of plumbing I reckon  surrender

So I belt sanded the roughcast finish and re coated it, chainsawed slots from the top nearly full depth, fitted the lid to the pit, weighted it down, and foam filled the slots.  Next day I trimmed the foam and vinylester resin coated the top.
Its not as good a fit as it was before I resin coated it though, so I stuffed a strip of expansion joint foam around the edge  Sad


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« Reply #237 on: June 30, 2010, 09:00:09 PM »

cheers Stuart

Tony, as the cross bonding is an attempt to discourage battery like behaviour within the heatstore, with 0.5 volts and a few milli amps, wouldnt 4sq mm of copper be rather a lot ?

The plumbing is earth bonded in the boiler cupboard and the control cupboard, so this is additional local bonding and earthing, to try and short circuit any tendancy to galvanic corrosion.
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« Reply #238 on: June 30, 2010, 09:55:16 PM »

Bodge-a-doodle-doo!! Luvving yer work, Gravy Miner.
And that blue.... positively cycledelik maaan.

Good luck this time.


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« Reply #239 on: June 30, 2010, 10:59:28 PM »


This means that any cellotex that gets wet,  WILL STAY WET !!!!    They don't tell you that do they.
Leak in the UFH ? yeah no worries mate ...........

What is the pit insulated with? Is it also wet? How well does wet celotex insulate?
Nice shade of blue.
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