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« on: January 15, 2010, 05:22:29 PM »

Following my recent debacle with Tiscali/TalkTalk leaving me without broadband (possibly for 2-3 weeks) as of late last night, I did my "boy scout" bit in being prepared for the cut-off, which has proved surprisingly successful!..........
We live in an utterly atrocious reception area for nearly everything, particularly "mobile" signal, some, like Orange don't work at all, some minimally (T-Mobile and Vodaphone), so without much hope, decided that I'd try a "dongle"..... I'd decided to go for the cheapest I could find locally in the vain hope "it might work" - PC World have a t-mobile dongle, including £10 worth of top up for just over £18, so I ordered one "to collect", and carried on surfing.......then for some reason I found myself looking at the "3" website, so absent mindedly shovelled postcode and address into coverage finder, and it claimed their dongles would work here (whereas all the others put us firmly in the "snowballs in hell" category)........... So I changed the purchase, and ended up with a "3" dongle for £20 plus a tenner's top up - then spent a highly depressing afternoon and evening yesterday refettling two aged windoze laptops ("3 dongles" don't officially support Linux), updating all the software you need with 'doze, like antivirus and firewalls and by the time the connection to broadband failed last night was getting a connection on either of two highly flakey, and "a snail looks scorchingly fast in comparison" laptops. I also 'phoned the "3" helpline and asked for the connection details to use with linux (which they were very happy to give me, and were charmingly polite as only Indian call centres at their best can be), and fed them into my "main" Ubuntu desktop - with the short supplied connection lead supplied, I couldn't get the dongle close to a window, and Linux "didn't want to know"....... So I shrugged my shoulders, and resigned myself to the hair shirt and ashes of Windoze and snail's pace.........
This morning bought a 2m USB extension cable and attached it to dongle, Ubuntu desktop machine, and taped dongle to window - old faithful Ubuntu sniffed out the connection, and fired up - we have connection, by dongle, from a computer with a real operating system! Grin Grin Grin
VERY happy bunny - although it's only showing "one bar" of signal strength it's working a treat, and for simple things like the forum, and collecting and sending email it isn't visibly a lot slower than broadband. I've used it quite a lot getting it up and running, and so far have only managed to use 2.5 mb of a 1gig tenners' worth......So with luck,if I'm careful, it should tide me over the "gap".
SO, should anyone else find themselves broadbandless (I doubt I'll be the only one), in my experience, a dongle is a worthwhile stopgap (even in the wilds) garden
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2010, 07:22:14 PM »

Hi Martin I to have been running on a dongle T Mobile and found it very slow but as i have no other way of getting on line so i have to make do with it .But strangely in all the cold weather it worked very well the minite it started to rain back to being slow if you have no other way of getting on line then the dongle will do fine
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2010, 07:32:21 PM »

might be worth trying an extension cable and put the dongle close to a window - it really gave mine a boost!
I did notice the "long tail" of retailing on extension cables (they sell the big things cheap, and try to profit out of all the "extra bits") - the likes of PC world, Comet etc wanted the ludicrous sum of £12 or more for a 2m usb extension lead, managed to find one in a small "independent" computer shop for £4.49 (which is still a lot, but not quite so much of a leg pull) Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2010, 09:51:00 PM »

i use a orange 3 g usb dongle it comes with 30cm of extension lead, so when im not on the office network, i can still pick up emials and visits  the web.

connects at 7.2mb and its so slow

if we are working on site and in a steel container/office i use a plastic tupperware box( its the latest in Ip rated enclosures) that has a usb lead siliconed in place and hang the thing out the window to get better reception!!

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2010, 10:13:30 PM »

You can buy 3G to wifi routers that will let you share the 3g connection to more than 1 pc, and you can stick the router wherever you like Smiley

A list here:
http://www.nucleusnetworks.co.uk/3g-router/3g-router.htm
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2010, 10:16:18 PM »

Tony,
Tupperware...... bit flash, whats wrong with a placcy bag and some stickey tape.
Martin,
You can improve dongle reception with one of these

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3984.m38.l1311&_nkw=mobile+broadband+booster&_sacat=See-All-Categories

dunno if they are any good.
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2010, 11:34:51 PM »

Our internet is via ThreeG dongle. We use a router to share it & a directional antenna to boost the signal as we are miles from the mast.

We get about 1/2mb most of the time & peaks of 2mb.
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2010, 10:17:20 AM »

I did notice the "long tail" of retailing on extension cables (they sell the big things cheap, and try to profit out of all the "extra bits") - the likes of PC world, Comet etc wanted the ludicrous sum of £12 or more for a 2m usb extension lead.

The problem is the shop's real estate. If you take the cost of the shop and divide it by the floor area you get a number for how much money you need to recoup from each area/stand/item. So an item has to cost a minimum of something (might be £4.99, might be £9.99, might be something else) to recover the cost of having it in the shop. For low priced items the selling price has very little to do with the item's cost.
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2010, 11:55:13 AM »

Thats so right.
We used to buy in usb cable is 1, 2 & 5m lengths. The cost difference was pennies. From memory we paid 15-45p each on boxes of 1000.

But we were selling them at £2 £3 & £4 ish.
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2010, 04:58:14 PM »

It might be worth getting a longer USB Cable (5m or you could try longer).  People on fleabay charge less than £5 inc P&P for a 5m one.  I use 5m ones to bring my usb keyboard, mouse and DVB tuner into the house (the puter is in the garage).  I use Mythtv (like Media Centre but much better :-) so the puter is also connected to the TV via HDMI.

Anyhoo..... those USB dongles have poor 3G antenna and are very sensitive to reception.  Try finding where your three antenna is and getting the dongle line of sight with that if possible, hence the longer USB lead idea.

The 3G wifi routers are handy as you can position them for best 3G reception and also share the connection.  Having said that I had a Three Mifi with was rubbish - kept on dropping connections, and the stupid press three buttons in order to get it "on".
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2010, 05:37:59 PM »

If the signal is weak the longer cable will  weaken the signal.    I tried to use a 3 mobile dongle when I moved house, while waiting for broadband.   It worked reasonably OK when directly connected to a   laptop  USB port close to a window but wouldn't work with the extension.   Also it seemed to initially have a good connection but  lost signal after a while.    It may have been temporarily using a third party connection.       
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2010, 05:48:08 PM »

Has anyone used one of these?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260534286809&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

This one is described as usb2 and usb1.1 compatable but most of them are only usb 1.1. would this matter?
With one of them and some IP 65 tuppaware (as Tony described) it could be put next to the TV aeriel 20 feet above the chimney?
Not exactly mobile broadband.  wackoold
Justme, do you have links to the kit that you use?
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2010, 05:52:10 PM »

Try Googling "Cantenna", uses a Pringles can to convert the dongle into a directional antenna with a bit more gain.
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2010, 06:08:59 PM »

Solwise do 3G routers. http://solwise.co.uk/3g-routers.htm
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2010, 09:50:36 PM »

Putting a 3G dongle on a USB extension should not affect the signal quality as the connection from computer to dongle is digital (USB).  Unless the dongle uses the USB cable as part of the antenna, but that would be odd.
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