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« on: January 22, 2010, 01:52:30 PM »

... is that there is no news.  Announcement from DECC now expected next month.

http://www.newenergyfocus.com/do/ecco/view_item?listid=1&listcatid=32&listitemid=3465&section=Policy

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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2010, 03:27:48 PM »

Looks like the pressure is on though.
Would you want a load of active and articulate, early adopters, writing to their MP's,
complaining about how badly they have been treated, just weeks away from an election?
Hope the minister is consulting his spin doctors!!!
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2010, 11:58:56 PM »

If anyone fancies writing to their MP, here's a good starting point - this is what I've written to my MP. (Use this website to send by email - you don't even need to print out and post the letter - ttp://www.writetothem.com/ ):


Dear Mr. Davies,

I hope you don't mind my writing to you, but from previous correspondence, I believe you have an interest in renewables.

As you may know, I am the founder and director of the largest supplier of small scale renewables in the UK and as such, have a vested interest in the UK renewables market. You are probably aware of the government proposals for FITs (feed in tariffs - ie guaranteeing a favourable payment for exported power from solar, wind, hydro etc. Incidentally, the rates are different for different technologies).

In principle, I am in favour of the FITs (although the way they will not be awarded to people who have already implemented this technology is disgraceful, and will create expensive, inefficient bureaucracy which will cost more than applying FITs fairly). However, I am very concerned that FITs should be linked to membership of the government quango BRE's MCS scheme. The MCS scheme looks great to outsiders, but in reality, the standards relate to QUALITY OF PAPERWORK rather than QUALITY OF INSTALLATION. The MCS scheme is very expensive, as there are many hidden costs, which to an installer will add up to around £8k, and for a manufacturer or distributor will add up to £80 - 500k. Clearly, this will substantially push up the cost of small scale renewables, and feed hard-earned cash into quango coffers instead of renewables.

My complaint is that stakeholders like myself, are being required to spend vast sums of money now in preparation for a scheme which is currently only a proposal. The consultation was concluded in October and we were promised an announcement by the DECC at the beginning of December. There was an announcement in the middle of December - that there would be an announcement at the beginning of January. When questioned, the spokeperson was unaware of the December deadline and declined to comment. Now, we haven't had any announcement in January, just an presumption that there will be an annoucement in February...maybe - http://www.newenergyfocus.com/do/ecco/view_item?listid=1&listcatid=32&listitemid=3465&section=Policy

Perhaps I expect too much of our political system, but I would really hope that if the government did its job properly, that they would be punctual in their announcements, fulfilling their own deadlines, and concentrate on providing renewables the foothold it needs to get started in the UK rather than hijacking it to prevent it from ever doing so. I am hoping that you might ask in The House why the DECC is allowed to conduct it's business with such a lackadaisical attitude, and why the government produces hard-hitting headlines on renewables, and then allows organisations such as the BRE to feather their own nests directly and indirectly on tax-payers hard-earned cash, to an extent that makes renewables non-cost effective.

Yours sincerely,


Ivan Lucas
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2010, 09:20:09 AM »

Dear All,

As I type this I believe DECC should have come out with the final word this morning??

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Richard
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2010, 10:33:44 AM »

Hi All,

Final rates for FIT's are here:

http://decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/news/pn10_010/pn10_010.aspx

Thanks

John.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2010, 10:49:11 AM »

wow 41.3p.. excellent

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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2010, 10:50:25 AM »

Decent rates on first glance.

Now just have to wait and see what the story is with regard to MCS accreditation requirement?
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2010, 12:23:51 PM »

The bigger concern for me relates to us as 'legacy' owners and what they are going to do about remunerating us. I have my letter ready to advise the disconnection of my system from the grid in preparation for having it re-certified as new!

My original 1.28kW is now 3.84kW and I don't intend accepting 9p a unit.

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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2010, 01:01:13 PM »

So much for index-linking. They're already phasing out the system and it hasn't even been implemented yet: The rates for PV go down by 9% in Year3!
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2010, 01:14:05 PM »

So much for index-linking. They're already phasing out the system and it hasn't even been implemented yet: The rates for PV go down by 9% in Year3!

Is that the rate for systems installed this year or is that the rate for systems installed in three years time?

Presumably, as prices fall costs will go down a bit and a smaller carrot is needed.

John
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2010, 01:18:07 PM »

Is that the rate for systems installed this year or is that the rate for systems installed in three years time?
John - that's the rate for systems in three years time, a system installed this year will in theory get the 41.3p for 25 years
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2010, 02:01:49 PM »

Ivan,
 I have no doubt your right as it is in your interest to be but where did you see this reducing by 9% . I do read at the top of the tariff table " NB tariffs will be inflated annually".  Could be we will lock you in to a lower rate now and if not effective enough will increase later - this seems to be the way with other incentives.   Ken
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2010, 02:14:38 PM »

wow 41.3p.. excellent
I don't think this is such a good rate. This is well below any launch tariff that the other countries (those who had a success with PV) had. I have to ask myself again why does the DECC think that it will work? Because the British public just do as they're told??? fight
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2010, 04:04:49 PM »

The bigger concern for me relates to us as 'legacy' owners and what they are going to do about remunerating us. I have my letter ready to advise the disconnection of my system from the grid in preparation for having it re-certified as new!

My original 1.28kW is now 3.84kW and I don't intend accepting 9p a unit.

Regards

Richard
Page 18 in the Governments response to the 2009 Consultation, deals with existing systems.
There is a link to this in the DECC press release.
Bad news for pre July 2009 installers DECC have stuck to the 9p Rate,
IF RO has been given. IF not then seems there is no FIT at all.
Looks like St Barnabas, without an MCS approved installation, will have to register through the RO scheme before transfering to FITs.
Now the question is what happens if a non MCS approved, second had set of panels is installed? I would guess no FITS - so early adopters are ripped off big time.
And from the tone of the DECC document - they are proud of it.
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2010, 04:42:38 PM »


I don't think this is such a good rate. This is well below any launch tariff that the other countries (those who had a success with PV) had. I have to ask myself again why does the DECC think that it will work? Because the British public just do as they're told??? fight

I think you are being a bit hard.  Other countries have been going a couple of years and prices are coming down, so you are not comparing like with like.  At least they have increased the rate from last summers proposals.

On a separate note, does anything published today make any mention of the minimum export tariff for solar PV?  Is it still 5p?  This is a rip off as the DNO immediately sells it to the next door neighbour at 12+p.

John
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