Would you start breeding now, given what we know?!?

[AlanM]

Uh, weather is climate, or more accurately, artificially aggregated weather over a period (usually 30 years).  Climate change is not nonsense, you are correct,( that is what climate does, all the time ) but there is a lot of nonsense incorrectly associated with it. As for climate being more predictable than weather, hmm, not sure about that. If you mean that generally a particular month will be wet/cold/dry/windy, based on the observations of the past thirty years, then yes, that is predictable, but to say predict all of the doom laden scenarios that have been laid out is a bit far fetched.
Bear in mind, it has been a bit snowy this winter, what was the prediction from 2000?

However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

Get a grip!

[desperate]

Alanm said  "Get a grip!"

on what?? weather, climate, or common sense?

Desp

[AlanM]

I think you could safely assume that it was meant at the soothsayer from CRU who thinks that "snow will be a rare and exciting event"

[Quakered]

Weather is not climate. Climate is more predictable than weather. Climate change is not nonsense. Have you got any better arguments than "some people made incorrect predictions in the past?"
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Well, looking at climate and weather you are looking at cause and effect. If you do not understand the effect well enough to produce reasonable forecasts, it is difficult to argue that you have a grasp of the cause.

Stating that climate change is nonsense is clearly a bit glib on my part as climate is always changing, however I think most would assume that my reference to “climate change” is the predictions from the eco zealots (who will countenance no opposition) that we will be under boiling water in the near future and that we are therefore all doomed.

As for “some people making incorrect predictions in the past”  it is surely more serious than that. Who can think of any long term prediction that has ever been correct? All we can do is extent trends in ANY field and this is always produces nonsense long term predictions (FX, shares, population growth, economic growth, air traffic, oil production, food production, and so on) I am all for clean energy, decent local food, energy efficient housing and transport. It should not be hard to persuade people and governments that this is a sensible and rational way to make life better for all and a reasonable way to invest in the future. We should not be trying to scare the people by apocalyptic predictions espoused by messianic lunatics pushing dubious science. They will be (have been?) proved wrong. This could cause all the sensible changes that most want will be lost.     

Finally as a very newbie on this UK board, why am I required to obey the laws of the United States to use this forum and does this mean I can carry a gun and shoot those who disagree with me?

[billi]

We should not be trying to scare the people by apocalyptic predictions espoused by messianic lunatics pushing dubious science

informing is not scaring , dazzling is scary ....

If you raise Kids Informing is one major task , beside playing and dreaming

Science is and was and will be always ahead of Religion (up to a certain point  ) , even sometimes wrong . And has to renew itself always , while Religion is stuck in the ancient Mud  with a smile in the clouds

Billi

oh nearly forgot in relation of

shoot those who disagree with me?

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDDXxaoxMj4

[martin]

The software that runs this forum is designed to be "international", and as such, it is entirely reasonable that specific mention be made of US regulations where they may differ from international regulations - yet again you've "cherry picked" something upon which to build a house of cards - the actual phrase is "or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law" - we have members from all round the world.

I've come across some dodgy statements, but "We should not be trying to scare the people by apocalyptic predictions espoused by messianic lunatics pushing dubious science. They will be (have been?) proved wrong" just about takes the biscuit!
Do I presume  by "messianic lunatics pushing dubious science" you are referring to over 90% of the world's climate scientists who are pointing to the very high possibility of catastrophic climate change? That they have been "proved wrong" is (as you should know, complete and utter dangerous tosh, propagated by lobbying companies in an attempt to allow our continued headlong hurtle towards ecological armageddon for base commercial reasons)

As for "scaring" people, I would contend that they NEED a damn good scare to wake them from their torpor - all the time we have a population that unthinkingly consumes junk "chemicalised" food, uses fossil fuels like there's no tomorrow, who commute, drive their blobboid offspring to school, take half hour power showers, regularly fly, and find nothing wrong with building extra airports.....
If religion MUST raise it's often deeply ugly head, I can but quote Chief Seattle (a pagan, who also understood  the white man's religion")

"All things are connected.... One thing we know that the white man may one day discover.
Our God is the same God....
This Earth is precious to him and to harm the Earth is to heap contempt on its creator...." 

[wyleu]

Don't more Americans shoot themselves or accidentally shoot friends and relatives  than actually shoot someone they intend to?

[dhaslam]

I think that statistic relates  to the US army.   

[Quakered]

Martin

Well international law exists to regulate the relationships between sovereign states and therefore not relevant to individuals posting on the internet. It would seem to me that the vast majority of the posters appear to be resident in the UK and, I suspect, UK subjects. As such, I suspect they have almost no knowledge of the US law that they have agreed to abide by. They are also most assuredly not subject to it, or do you see a US Marshall boarding a aircraft to arrest a member of the forum  who breaches US Law (perhaps by being profane)? Come on admit it, the only reason you have this ridiculous condition is because it came free with the software on installation.

I fear the rest of your post is the sort of fact free display of person prejudice that makes rational people question the whole message of the climate change industry.

[martin]

"You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law"
-the key word as far as your "throwing a paddy" is "OR" - if you are a resident of the US of A, you are subject to THEIR laws, which may well differ from international ones, therefore it is entirely reasonable (to a reasonable person) that software used internationally, by people in several countries (including the US) to include "or US federal law" - YOU are not promising other than "not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International Law" (unless you are the US -(if the cap fits, wear it, if it doesn't, don't bloody well whinge about it!)
It is very typical of the "small print" that you by definition agree to on virtually every website you visit - ours is nothing special, particularly different or "out to get you"

[northern installer]

Can the small minded nit pickers please go out into the garden and play whilst the sun is shining,and leave the rest of us to continue discussing the thread itself?

[PeedOftec]

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Quite agree Mr. NorthenInstaller...

Where were we with this thread... ah, yes,   my missus is due tomorrow!!... Woooo Hoooo!

Call me selfish but I need someone to push me round in my wheelchair when I'm old and knackered. In the meantime I'm breeding my own workforce, cheap child labour..

But you have to be nice to your children because it is they who choose the nursing home for you!
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[PeedOftec]

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Due date today!!!

Well I checked all round the bed this morning but no sign of any baby....  little devil must be still in there!! Mind you I don't blame it, it's a cold frosty morning but brilliant sunshine... perfect morning to get out in the garden.   

Might get the missus digging those footings to get things moving..

Anybody got any suggestions on how to start labour?
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[daftlad]

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Due date today!!!


Might get the missus digging those footings to get things moving..

Anybody got any suggestions on how to start labour?
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Curry.
ta ta

[PeedOftec]

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Someone suggested lots of SEX!


.....but if the wife was to find out she WOULD have a baby!! 
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