Art Deco House - Project!

[Rooster]

Art Deco House on the South Coast of Kent.

Currently in need of complete renovation so a great project to get all those low energy measures, renewables and insulation put in place!

Large South facing flat roof (Sun Terrace!) with easy access for your solar thermal/PV.

Good solar Gain from design and internal walls are masonry so a good bit of thermal mass.

Large Garden to grow your own veg and keep some chooks etc.

There's even a run down Chalet in the garden if wanted to rebuild it it for a second dwelling, office, studio etc.

Its up for auction on the 22 February 2010, and the auctioneers have guided it at £80 -£85 K so be quick and grab a bargain!

Details .... http://www.cliveemson.co.uk/listing_view.asp?Lot=63&Auc=138

Got to be the least expensive chunk of Art Deco you'll ever see.

[desperate]

Thats very interesting, anybody fancy going halfs on a quick turnaround?

Desperate

[EccentricAnomaly]

I imagine it would be nearly impossible to get planning permission for external insulation.  Still, it's interesting to speculate on how it could be done whilst preserving the look of the building.  Hempcrete?  Access to the north side looks awkward.  Having only a small roof to expand to overlap the extra thickness would be an advantage.

The windows almost certainly need replacing so setting the new ones flush with the new surface shouldn't be a problem but getting efficient ones to simulate the old metal ones would be difficult, I'd think.  I wonder what sort might suit.

[martin]

Can smell the damp from here - it'd be cheaper to demolish it and start again!

[Rooster]

I imagine it would be nearly impossible to get planning permission for external insulation.  Still, it's interesting to speculate on how it could be done whilst preserving the look of the building.  Hempcrete?  Access to the north side looks awkward.  Having only a small roof to expand to overlap the extra thickness would be an advantage.

Its got cavity walls so probably no need for external insulation, presumably you could fill the cavities.

The windows almost certainly need replacing so setting the new ones flush with the new surface shouldn't be a problem but getting efficient ones to simulate the old metal ones would be difficult, I'd think.  I wonder what sort might suit.

Crittal still make matching windows that meet current building regs, so they could be replaced with the same look but decent performance.

http://www.crittall-windows.co.uk/

There are those who just have the existing windows repaired though and then add internal secondary double glazing, guess it depends how original you wanted to keep it.

[Moxi]

Kent?

Won't that be under sea water later this century? 

You'll be able to smell the damp then Martin 

Moxi

[Rooster]

Can smell the damp from here - it'd be cheaper to demolish it and start again!

The combination of the current level of ventilation (old crittal windows!) plus solar gain mean there's no smelly issues at present!

It's guided at a price that allows for it to be demolished and replaced (possibly with two dwellings).

These are what I call 'marmite' houses, you either love them or hate them there is not much middle ground!

[Rooster]

Kent?

Won't that be under sea water later this century? 

You'll be able to smell the damp then Martin 

Moxi

Nah we're well protected here, huge sea defences plus we're not far from Little Cheyne Court Wind Farm (26 x 2.3 MW turbines http://www.npowerrenewables.com/littlecheynecourt/index.asp ) so they're going to have to keep the sea back here to keep renewable energies on track!!  

[Moxi]

Wind turbines, they put them in the sea these days 

Just pulling yer leg a bit Roy,

personally I love art deco when its looked after and done well and as you say there's an opportunity to return this house to a great standard whilst introducing the best in terms of renewable and low energy technology.

Moxi

[martin]

You mean it has a flat roof and doesn't leak?....... Lumme, that's one for the Guinness book of records............ Add in the cost of bunging in a proper damp course, redoing all the rendering, and replacing the Crittall windows, it ain't gonna be a cheap job! - (especially if you want to bring up the standard of insulation to modern levels) - Don't get me wrong, some buildings of the-style and period can be very attractive, and there's many design features that I like a lot, but I wouldn't underestimate the costs of doing it!

[desperate]

But, look at that drum next door, now if you could build 2 of them........... personally I think the best use of the original building is hardcore for the new ones...........

Desp

[noelsquibb]

it'd be cheaper to demolish it and start again!

yup. Hardcore is its best function.

There is a quote I learnt from an old Estimator -

' New into old is twice the price of new'

This even works for refurbs on relatively modern buildings.

I always want to challenge this assertion but its never far away at the final reckoning.

And all you've got is an old Austin 1100 cased up to create a certain 'look'

Its a fair price for a single site and a bargain if theres room for two.

Suspect a low price is being used to create good interest and draw folk to an auction.

Anyone seen the asbestos report ? 

[martin]

Here's one they did earlier down on the coast - a mere 8 million squid for a quick tart-up (spot the cr*p rendering!)- finished about 5 years ago, and already falling apart!

[dhaslam]

There was one on Discovery Real time today cost  £230,000 and they spent  £120,000 including legal costs  but it was valued at £320,000 when finished.  The reason the auctioneers gave for the lowish valuation compared to the cost was the flat roof.  In the UK they seem to have been built in brick and plastered.   I suppose it wouldn't change the character much if there was external  insulation and  a new finish.   This particular example is not  a very impressive design so it possibly could be revised in the original style.  I suppose a low pith roof wouldn't be allowed.    The garden would also need to match with  white walled  raised  areas  etc.      I suppose the one thing it has going for it  is the price.       

http://www.findaproperty.com/displaystory.aspx?edid=00&salerent=0&storyid=6737

[Other-Power]

All of 500 meters down the road for my g/f parents house.

Typical house of the area, nice little thing, good wind resource but only likely to get solar system if mounted off the house.