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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2010, 08:46:58 PM »

Guy

Presumably though, you didn't start out on your huge project with the hope that at some time you may get a few hundred quid a year payment. Surely the amount you should be able to claim wouldn't make a lot of difference to the overall economic viability would it?
Cetainly when we planned our CRAC project finances we only took into consideration the energy savings and the increase in the value and salability of Cactusville,anything on top of that would be a bonus. To be honest I'm not sure if I can be arsed to claim for a tarriff anyway,the MCS accreditation looks like a barbed wire canoe in 4 letter words are my favorite creek territory and a couple of hundred quid a year wont make a blind bit of difference to us anyway.

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2010, 09:00:30 PM »

Our income from this is thousands. It would be over double, if the FITs scheme (scam?) allowed me to join. We spent many many thousands on this, (the sort of figues often bandied about when buying small houses in Yorkshire....).

What about others on the system? Theres a guy I know down the road in the middle of installing a 90kW turbine - you dont want to know how much that is. If there is no one to accredit his install - who does he sell the leccy to? Also - he is part of a group that has secured £50,000 from EDF - but we all have to be installed and runnign - then we all get our slice of the cake. Again - I'm in line for thousands. If we are not aboe to - as we are not able to join due to the FITs demands - we get nothing.

Am I allowed to get het up now? Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2010, 10:07:32 PM »

OK
I had no idea you were looking at income of that magnitude, I can see it would have a big financial impact, please het away. I wouldn't have the bottle to bank on getting something as nebulous as a GOVT tariff or grant or whatever.

Good luck

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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2010, 10:46:35 PM »

Guy, your neighbour's 90kW is outside the scope of MCS. They only cover systems upto 50kW, although they are pushing to have this increased to 100kW.  He will need to go through the normal ROC registration process if his system is up and running by 31st March, or through the (yet to be defined) ROO-FIT process if after.
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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2010, 11:34:52 PM »

Not exactly neighbour I must admit - Lee Abbey if anyone is interested (theres no info on their website) - they are a (mostly harmless Wink ) Christian bunch.  Grin

Our little group - EREG (exmoor renewable energy group) - consists of me, a timber mill owner, a farmer, said religious dude, and a 500 yr old mill owner. I am the newest member, and the first to get up and running - ironically. The timber mill is owned by a 70 yr old - who whilst as tough as nails, has re-built an old mill, and is making it into an education centre, complete with scary big woodworking machinery (if anyone is in the Dunster area, West Somerset - he is very willing to show sensible people round - its not exactly public friendly yet, with no handrails, and plenty of ways of dying....). Then theres the old mill owner - this has been running for 500+ years almost non stop - and he can make a couple of kw - but he isnt grid tied, and the kit needs condemming  Shocked with rubber insulation etc etc. But theres paperwork to sort first. The farmer has a nice spring, and loads of head, but little motivation (  Roll Eyes ). The god-botherer is up and at-em and is getting on with it.

I didnt bank on the govt nebulous offers - but I am narked that I can't get the same rate as someone who can install the same thing tomorrow. Why? I couldnt - even if I wanted to do the same thing at the next mill along - get the 20p - as the usless "unmarried parents" cant organise some accreditation. All I can say is that I am very lucky that I managed to get into ROCs before it got disbanded, and there was no replacement.....................................................

Rough figues of my current income:-
As is - 15p / unit generated. About £3,500 pa cheque + £1500 saving on leccy bill (conservative estimate) = £5,000 pa
if I got 19.9p + 3p export = £6,500 (guess here)
But I get 9p = £3600

So I'm 'worse' off three grand a year.

Somthing to contemplate - we used 100 tonnes of sand, about 20 tonnes of cement (1000 bags) to replace / repair the leat. There is two tonnes of steel sheet in the wheel. Theres 2,500 bolts. Do you want me to go on?

Hopefully this isnt coming out as a one-upmanship or snobbery - its not meant to be - its just showing why I'm narked at the price difference. Its added many many years to the 'payback' period - almost doubling.
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2010, 01:03:08 AM »

If EDF are stumping up some serious wonga, as the people who supply the juice, and who you are connected to, is it not possible to deal with them direct? they are gonna be as pi44ed as you if they cant buy your leccy, and have blown 50 bigguns. we seriously need to get together and tell GOVT to f*** **f fume

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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2010, 10:29:03 AM »

"a 500 yr old mill owner"

He's an impressive age. Where can I get hold of some of his magic potion?  Grin Grin Grin

Sorry, couldn't resist.
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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2010, 12:53:59 PM »

I think they are a great step forward...and the concept will last forever.


I'm not convinced about that - UK Governments have a long history of withdrawing subsidies once they start to cost a bit.
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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2010, 02:28:24 PM »

FITs isn't designed to last forever.

The 41.3p PV rate will have dropped to less than 20p within ten years at the published degression rates - which assumes that PV prices drop in line with predictions and not allowing for RPI changes.
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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2010, 05:07:17 PM »

FITs isn't designed to last forever.

The 41.3p PV rate will have dropped to less than 20p within ten years at the published degression rates - which assumes that PV prices drop in line with predictions and not allowing for RPI changes.

I thought that once you were on a "rate" you stayed on it for the term & it was only change linked to inflation?
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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2010, 05:20:27 PM »

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Hope they do sort it soon.  banghead

We have put our hydro plans on hold at the farm opting for a 250kw gasifier instead. Our battle is with grid connection as the 3 phase line stops 3 poles away from our transformer and they want 20k just for one extra wire plus a 10k contribution to the transformer.   fume
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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2010, 10:07:32 PM »

I thought that once you were on a "rate" you stayed on it for the term & it was only change linked to inflation?

Yes that's right. What I'm talking about is that there will be a 20p rate for a new system installed in 2020.
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