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Title: ultra small computer
Post by: petertc on June 20, 2011, 08:00:26 PM
Take a look at this UK Charity looking at selling these  for £15

http://news.cnet.com/raspberry-pi-computer-on-a-stick-for-only-$25/8301-17938_105-20060489-1.html (http://news.cnet.com/raspberry-pi-computer-on-a-stick-for-only-$25/8301-17938_105-20060489-1.html)


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: martin on June 20, 2011, 08:17:13 PM
looking good! :)


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: Baz on June 20, 2011, 09:06:51 PM
rather pointless as linux is far too complicated for a beginner/kid unless already into more complex stuff in which case they will be playing robots with one of the existing small micros. So some may get it and be put off because it requires some effort, or be put off because it doesn't play fancy games.
To seriously get kids to understand programming it would be better to have a simple version of Basic on android phones that has just enough power to let people program tunes and a few other things - then when they have got the gist of that have something compatible but more advanced on their PC.



Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: acresswell on June 20, 2011, 09:17:32 PM
I agree about Linux... most young people aren't interested in the operating system.  Much more motivating for them to have a play with a simple programming language.  It still amazes me how intrigued students can be by something as simple as:
   10 INPUT"What is your name ";A$
   20 PRINT "Hello";A$
...and the real buzz they get when using VB to do something similar that looks like a proper application!




Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: dhaslam on June 21, 2011, 12:23:26 AM
It is amazing what android phones can do.   They have a lot of storage capacity , fairly high resolution screen  and very quick processing.   With some  development of wireless peripherals  they will  have a lot of potential.   Still a  bit expensive but   they will come down in price.    It should be possible to  write simple applications.   

This calculator on a touch screen shows how the display quality has come a long way.     

     


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: rust on November 30, 2011, 11:33:01 PM
http://www.raspberrypi.org/

for any one whos intrested this it the actual web address
nice thing is @ the cost your not going to worry if your kid blows it up!


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: w0067814 on December 03, 2011, 11:20:25 AM
rather pointless as linux is far too complicated for a beginner/kid unless already into more complex stuff in which case they will be playing robots with one of the existing small micros.

It all depends on the environment that is built for the Raspberry Pi. Once all the hardware drivers exist, and there are easy to use API's then the user don't need to know the inner workings of Linux. You don't need to know the inner workings of Linux to write a program in Java for instance - which is essentially what Android runs - Android is of course basically Linux.

So some may get it and be put off because it requires some effort, or be put off because it doesn't play fancy games.
I've got Quake II running on the Raspberry Pi at 1900x1080 true 3D (on a Panasonic 50" 3D TV with 3D glasses) and it's amazing. No problem playing full HD video content either, infact it can wrap a full HD video on to an object in real time - it's mind boggling to see Avatar playing smoothly at full speed whilst wrapped on to the wire frame of a revolving tea pot (not the chocolate type either)!

To seriously get kids to understand programming it would be better to have a simple version of Basic on android phones that has just enough power to let people program tunes and a few other things - then when they have got the gist of that have something compatible but more advanced on their PC.
Ahh you miss the point - for $25 for the Pi, plus a keyboard and a telly (can be any TV with either composite or HDMI inputs) you've got everything you need to get going. With Android, then you need a PC and a phone, which are out of reach for many in the UK let alone 3rd world countries. The processor in the Pi is actually used in many phones - and it can run Android just fine.

Why not check out the video below starring Dev Patel (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2353862/) (Slumdog Millionnaire), Charles Dance (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001097/), and Pamela Anderson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000097/). It was made to show case the capabilities of the Nokia N8 which is powered by the Broadcom VideoCORE III processor. The Raspberry Pi is powered by the Broadcom VideoCORE IV processor (BCM2835) which is considerable jump up in performance, not to mention increasing from 720p to 1080p graphics. The video was shot entirely on the Nokia N8 by the way - which shows just how far mobile phone video has come!

http://youtu.be/PVISpc7EDEk?hd=1    (High Def 720p - best watched full screen)
http://youtu.be/PVISpc7EDEk            (Normal Youtube)

Roku use the VideoCORE IV (BCM2835) in their Roku 2 product - a streaming TV media player with Nintendo Wii style remote control for gaming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roku
http://the-gadgeteer.com/2011/11/28/roku-2-xs-and-xd-streaming-media-players-review/


-Tim


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: w0067814 on January 03, 2012, 11:24:57 AM
Just to let you all know that you can buy one of the very first Raspberry Pi's to come off the production line. There is a limited edition of ten boards being auctioned on eBay right now. Two per day for 5 days running, starting with #10 and working down to #1.


http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/482

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/raspberry_pi/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25&_trksid=p3686

-Tim


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: wookey on January 03, 2012, 12:33:31 PM
aha, finally - some actual hardware. Cool.

I'd be a lot more enthusiastic if the Pi came with free graphics drivers (and wasn't made by Broadcom, who represent an enormous amount of what is very bad about the mobile computing industry - they use GPL code everywhere but do their level best not to provide driver code to anyone else and let chinese ODMs carry the can).

If you want to try a tiny cheap, capable Linux machine, then this one has better specs than the Pi and is made by people who actually care about sharing the code and co-operating:  http://rhombus-tech.net/

The Pi seems to be a loss-leader to get more people onto Broadcom's videocore platform. Still, it is good value, just be aware you are dancing with the devil.

Perhaps the biggest advantage of the rhombus-tech device is that you get 1G ram and a SATA interface and ethernet so you can use it as a real computer, rather than the 128MB + USB of the Pi. That means proper, fast native development. What I don't know is when you'll actually be able to buy one: 'soon' is what I was told before xmas. But do put in a pre-order if you think it's a good thing.

I see there is now a 'model B' Pi announced which has 256Mb + ethernet. That's a lot more useful, but still no SATA. That really hurts - I know, I've got lots of ARM devices with no SATA and it's painfull if you want to do real computing.


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: Jeremy on January 03, 2012, 12:44:00 PM
aha, finally - some actual hardware. Cool.

Have you checked the prices?  Beta boards going for a minimum (at current bid price) of £565 (each.......................).  Someone has bid £1900 for one!


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: Heinz on January 03, 2012, 12:45:22 PM
£1900 and still got four days to go !!! Cheap, it ain't....

Heinz


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: clivejo on January 31, 2012, 12:52:00 PM
Getting very frustrated now.  Originally due to launch before Xmas, I wanted one as a Christmas present to myself!  They then delayed until the end of January, its now the 31st Jan and still no Christmas present  :'(

*strops* I want one, I want one!


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: wookey on January 31, 2012, 05:31:24 PM
There are lots of other linux ARM machines available. Why not buy one of those? A free driver for the ARM  Mali graphics core was announced a couple of days ago, which suddenly means you have 'good' choices as well as bad ones, and rasbery Pi is in the 'bad' camp. I certainly won't be buying any ARM hardware with non-free GPU drivers now that it's possible to pick one that isn't stuck with vendor kernels.

I haven't looked up the full list yet but the Samsung Origen board and ST-Eriscsson Snowball boards are both Mali, and supported by Linaro which makes working images trivial to come by: http://www.linaro.org/low-cost-development-boards/

Not quite as cheap as you might like at $199 and €240 respectively. But then that's looking pretty good in comparison to $1900 for a Pi :-), and they'll ship today. Or you can have an imx53 for £100. That has real SATA so you can do actual work with it  - it's a real computer, with useful amounts of RAM (1G). Probably the best low-power home server and definately the best ARM build farm machine you can get at the moment.

Or for €200 you can have a whole tablet with mali 400 in: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/01/reveal.html but there will still be a wait for actual hardware there.

Things are looking good with genuinely open options appearing at very reasonable prices. Lots of reasons not to buy a closed-driver Pi IMHO, even if it is cheap. You'll regret it.


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: clivejo on January 31, 2012, 06:55:00 PM
I dont care about the graphics TBH.  I want one for the low power, linux kernel, and Ethernet connection for about £30


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: Paulh_Boats on February 01, 2012, 08:46:06 PM
Read all the comments about the Raspberry PI. 

At work the entire team of software engineers I work with think the Raspberry PI is the greatest thing since the Nascom/Spectrum/BBC Computer. My background is electronics/micro chips and I think its an excellent design with killer features that will dominate both the educational and hobbyist markets.

The Broadcom GPU has OpenGL driver support which is all you need for portable engineering graphics - yes they have hidden the internal registry details for commerical reasons (to keep the costs down and performance up) but the best way for kids to learn graphics is something like OpenGL or a language that wraps around it.

Python Game looks good for example:
http://www.youtube.com/user/RaspberryPiTutorials?feature=watch

We already have ideas about supporting the RPi in the educational market - but Mums the word.

-Paul


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: Paulh_Boats on February 01, 2012, 08:54:28 PM
Here is the latest RPi information on the graphics drivers - plenty for hardcore 3D and 2D programming and there are free codec licences for hardware accelarated MPEG1/2/4 and H264 (basically everything you need for HD Video)

(http://s7.postimage.org/yn9882w5z/Raspberry_Arch.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/yn9882w5z/)

Professional programmers will have no interest in having OpenGL (3D) or OpenVG (2D) open source - they will simply use the binary libraries to write portable programs that also run on a PC.

-Paul


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: wookey on February 01, 2012, 11:56:20 PM
But they will get grumpy when they can't upgrade their kernel without losing graphics support. Like for example last week when there were new kernels rushed out to plug a root-gaining security hole.

With binary drivers you are left with the choice of running with no graphics (quite probably not much use to you) or remaining vulnerable to a serious security issue until Broadcom get round to building an updated driver. And you can only use kernel versions they have deigned to provide drivers for, which they'll do for a while, but then lose interest when there is newer hardware available.

You are quite right that plenty of people don't care (until they have a problem). I'm just pointing out that they should, and there are good technical reasons why they are better off with software under their own control. Binary blobs from a third party without which bits of your hardware don't work are best avoided if you have a choice.

Clivejo - keep an eye on the EOMA-spec allwinner boards, that should beat  the Pi on price/spec for your purposes, but I guess you'll have to wait a bit longer as no-one has hardware yet.


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: SpeedEvil on February 06, 2012, 11:41:59 PM
I'm planning to use mine to hook up several things to.

Firstly, replace my wireless router with, saving 10W.
Now, add proxies on the Pi to keep me 'online' with various services, and enable me to turn the laptop off at night, not keep acting as a server, for another 7W or so savings.
Log mains power readings from my Eon energy meter.
Add several temperature probes to various parts of the house.
A webcam with a fisheye lens inside a glass ball, so to take pictures of the sky every few mins.

The cost of it is easily paid in the first year from savings.


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: RIT on February 11, 2012, 03:00:17 PM
I have to say that I'm following both the PI and Allwinner products. Not because I'm such I have any major use for one, but more from the fact that I started on a MK14 (which cost £40 in 1977) and moved to a ZX80/81 and so on as I grew up and both these devices look like 'fun' rather than 'work'.

The current state of play is that the PI is due 'soon' as 10,000 are being made up in China while the Allwinner is still somewhat a design in progress. The PI also has a quotable price of $25 which I guess means £25-£30 after VAT and P&P in the UK. The Allwinner at looking at a build cost of $15-$75 depending on the size of some future production run just for the unit, a lot of other costs will have to be added as it will need a breakout board, power supply etc.

The one thing both systems are missing are any AD inputs as they only supply general unprotected IO pins from the CPU, so the first add-on board for both modules is going to be a basic PIC based card providing additional IO features. There is already one being put together for the PI, but the Allwinner is not yet in the hands of anyone to allow demos to be created and shown.

As for the 2 boards the PI is going to be a great basic building block solution for the markets its targeting, with the advantage that it should cause the PIC market to advance somewhat faster than it has done in the last few years. The Allwinner is a little different, if it can produce a 'standard' high performance 'open' module it could change the way that embedded systems are built in the future as it could be cheaper to add a full Allwinner to your design rather than build from the ground up.


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: clivejo on February 29, 2012, 07:49:25 AM
Well the Raspberry Pi was released today at 6am. I have been trying to order one for this past hour and a half, but nothing but server-time outs and errors. I've giving up trying now and very angry over the whole thing! Now they tweeted that the first batch have gone!! 

So much for registering my email to be kept up-to-date and allowed first ordered on the thing.   banghead:

Just want to thank the Raspberry Pi team and the distributors for putting me in the most amazing bad temper the likes I've not seen for years!

Anyone who knows me, today is NOT the day to contact me regarding anything but a lottery win.

*goes off to smash something up*  :fume


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: RIT on February 29, 2012, 03:19:22 PM
Well the Raspberry Pi was released today at 6am. I have been trying to order one for this past hour and a half, but nothing but server-time outs and errors. I've giving up trying now and very angry over the whole thing! Now they tweeted that the first batch have gone!! 

So much for registering my email to be kept up-to-date and allowed first ordered on the thing.   banghead:

Just want to thank the Raspberry Pi team and the distributors for putting me in the most amazing bad temper the likes I've not seen for years!

Anyone who knows me, today is NOT the day to contact me regarding anything but a lottery win.

*goes off to smash something up*  :fume

Sorry but I has to lol at your post, I remember trying to order both the ZX Spectrum and Sinclair QL on their release days, with the same results. For the PI I decided not to even try as it was looking like it was going to be a complete nightmare.

What will be interesting will be seeing just how fast additional produce can be produced in China to meet the proven demand.


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: clivejo on February 29, 2012, 09:30:41 PM
Just when I was calming down a bit I go on fleabay to check an item I'm selling, and what pops up in my face but a Raspberry Pi for sale.  Bids starting at £50 !!!

I was curious so had a look at the documentation he posted, the Pi he's selling was placed 9 mins AFTER me!!!

So I'm back to being furious again!   :fume


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: wookey on March 08, 2012, 02:16:27 AM
It's only a computer clivejo. There are lots of others. None quite so cheap (and a bit nasty IMHO), but it's not worth getting upset over. The arm linux machine ID list says we are up to machine number 4064, so there really are lots to choose from. And some more Pis will be along in a while. If I was keen to get work done on something now I just buy a beaglebone, which has an up to date CPU so all the existing distros will just work.

The hype this thing has generated is remarkable. I can see I'm going to get thoroughly fed of it... (having spent half of today explaining what people are going to have to do to get distro support for this older (v6 arm11) chip which falls awkwardly between the v5 noFP and v7thumb/VFP ports all the distros are currently supporting).


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: clivejo on March 08, 2012, 08:40:07 PM
Your right, its nothing but hype.  I now believe they did it on purpose to get the launch in full view of the media.  Taking down two major suppliers website, that's a great PR stunt!  I finally got an email from the Raspberry Pi mailing list, which I signed up to back in November last year, which was supposed to give me first refusal in buying one of the first batch and keep me updated.  This is the first and only email they have sent me!!  The subject is "[Raspberry Pi] An apology" and continues :

"You may be aware that the Raspberry Pi Model B went live for pre-orders at 0600h
GMT on Wednesday 29 February 2012. Unfortunately, not everyone on our mailing
list received a notification of our impending launch, as it now takes about a
week to mail personalized messages to each of our 100,000 subscribers.

Please accept our sincere apologies for this error. Given the large volumes our
partners are able to produce, the penalty for being further back in the queue is
much smaller than it would have been had we been the only manufacturer; if you
place an order, we'll do our best to make sure you're not waiting too long."

I read today that they have had a 'hiccup' in manufacturing the board, so all the boards so far have no networking !!  ( http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/781 ) The saying "couldnt organize a party in a brewery" comes to mind.

I'm going to cancel my order and get a refund, and go for another device.  The disadvantages of the Raspberry Pi now outweigh the advantages for me.


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: clivejo on March 29, 2012, 08:33:03 PM
Has anyone got a Raspberry-Pi  yet??

I just got an email from RS Online saying they was about to go on sale and this is still the first batch, which was supposed to be on sale weeks ago!


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: pb on March 29, 2012, 10:29:05 PM
Apparently RS and Farnell both decided that they couldn't sell them without a declaration of CE conformity.  It seems that the Pi folks had been under the impression that the EMC regulations didn't apply to them and hence hadn't bothered to test the products against the requirements.

I gather that their shipments are on hold until they get that sorted out and are able to apply a CE mark to the products.  Presumably they are rather hoping that the boards they've already built do indeed meet the required standard.


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: wookey on April 07, 2012, 10:25:36 PM
Oh dear!

To be fair, my understanding is that you can sell boards without CE marks if they are 'components' rather than finished products. That may or not apply to dev boards (we were told we could sell Balloonboard through Farnell without a CE mark - maybe the Pi people were told the same thing).


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: langstroth3 on April 07, 2012, 11:25:11 PM
This was the last email I had from RS (04 April):

Quote
There’s been plenty of positive developments in shipping and testing over the last week.

    * 2,000 boards have now been shipped to the Raspberry Pi Foundation in Cambridge, UK (here’s some pictures)
    * RS and Farnell are working together with the Foundation to accelerate testing, making sure that all Raspberry Pi’s meet the required safe-for-use standards, as many people will be using their Pi's as a finished product.
    * As soon as certification has been achieved, we will receive our allocation of the first batch of boards. We’re hopeful that this will be very soon.
    * Our dedicated Raspberry Pi store is getting ready to open to the first group of people in our queue. Once they have placed their orders, we’ll then start inviting the next-in-line into the store.
    * More deliveries are expected shortly, so we can start fulfilling the extraordinary demand for Raspberry Pi. We’ll keep you up-to-date via our weekly email and online FAQs.

and from Farnell on the 2nd April:
Quote
The wait for Pi is (nearly) over

The Pi began its journey as a crowdsourced community project. Given the volumes involved and the demographic mix of likely users, the development board exemption on compliance testing is not applicable. As a result, even the first uncased developer units of Raspberry Pi will require a CE (compliance tested) mark prior to distribution in the EU.

We're supporting the Raspberry Pi Foundation in doing everything possible to bring the Pi to the world as quickly as possible, and minimise any further delay.
(Find out more here.)

So the message seems consistent.
As pb/Wookey said, I think they've been rather side-winded with the (unexpected?) need for CE testing.


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: langstroth3 on April 07, 2012, 11:34:02 PM
Actually this thread prompted me to go and check progress on the main PI site, and I see they've posted this:

Quote
Good news! We just received confirmation that the Raspberry Pi has passed EMC testing without requiring any hardware modifications.


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: clivejo on April 13, 2012, 07:30:13 PM
The sad sorry state of affairs continues !!

On release day I tried to order a RaspberyPi on both the Farnell and RS websites.  On the RS one I got as far as 'registering my interest' and on Farnell I eventually checked out and it was processed, but no delivery or any acknowledgement whatsoever.   After all the hype I rang them up and cancelled the order (I was hopping mad and fit to be tied) and decided to go down another route.

Today at 18:47 on a Friday of all days I get an email - "GREAT NEWS - Delivery of your Raspberry Pi"  What delivery?!?!? I cancelled the f'in order!!  banghead:

We are despatching your Raspberry Pi now, and it should arrive with you in the next few days, the week commencing Monday 16 April 2012.   facepalm 


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: Sean on April 13, 2012, 07:39:14 PM

Today at 18:47 on a Friday of all days I get an email - "GREAT NEWS - Delivery of your Raspberry Pi"  What delivery?!?!? I cancelled the f'in order!!  banghead:


I'll have it off you if it's of now use to you - cash waiting as they apparently say.

plenty of them ready to go now

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17703852


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: clivejo on April 13, 2012, 09:22:35 PM
I'm not holding my breath regarding it!  Problem is I want/need a low power, always on computer for data logging/monitoring and doing a bit of processing. 

The reason I wanted a Pi was that the model B only uses about 700 mA or 3.5w, compared to a PC consuming about 100w. A Pi with an external HDD attached to it would only require about 25w which is why I was so eager to get hold of one.

I was looking at a 12DC to ATX power supply, but these are limited to about 150-200w and quite expensive at approx £30-40.  Same price as a Pi.


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: clivejo on April 18, 2012, 12:07:14 AM
Well I got it today, booted it up.  Not a lot you can do with it at the moment to be honest!

Might put it on eBay, they are making £100+ !!


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: Sean on April 18, 2012, 10:18:29 AM
Well I got it today, booted it up.  Not a lot you can do with it at the moment to be honest!

Might put it on eBay, they are making £100+ !!

that's just potty

122 quid with 20 minutes to go

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-Brand-New-in-Box-/180864377586?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a1c5b62f2#ht_2234wt_932



Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: clivejo on April 18, 2012, 12:27:08 PM
I think it made £205 !!


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: Contadino on April 18, 2012, 02:41:16 PM
I'm not holding my breath regarding it!  Problem is I want/need a low power, always on computer for data logging/monitoring and doing a bit of processing. 

The reason I wanted a Pi was that the model B only uses about 700 mA or 3.5w, compared to a PC consuming about 100w. A Pi with an external HDD attached to it would only require about 25w which is why I was so eager to get hold of one.

I was looking at a 12DC to ATX power supply, but these are limited to about 150-200w and quite expensive at approx £30-40.  Same price as a Pi.

Not as cheap (at £79-odd), but what about one of these?

http://www.linuxtech.net/reviews/intel_DN2800MT_cedarview_atom_power_draw.html


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: clivejo on April 18, 2012, 04:28:02 PM
If anyone wants one £200 and its yours :)


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: Sean on April 18, 2012, 07:23:26 PM
If anyone wants one £200 and its yours :)

far too cheap, apparently

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290699520437?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_727wt_932


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: supremetwo on April 18, 2012, 08:19:48 PM
If anyone wants one £200 and its yours :)

far too cheap, apparently

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290699520437?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_727wt_932


Another example of Ebay purchasers who are deficient in brain cells.


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: Mostie on August 26, 2012, 08:41:42 PM
(http://s11.postimage.org/kphop42sv/screenshot.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kphop42sv/)

 :crossed


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: clivejo on August 27, 2012, 12:34:55 PM
(http://s11.postimage.org/kphop42sv/screenshot.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kphop42sv/)

 :crossed


What have you yours doing?


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: supremetwo on August 27, 2012, 01:44:06 PM
Seen prices between £25 and £30 from RS or CPC but no stocks.

CPC say end August.


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: stephendv on August 27, 2012, 02:45:35 PM
Mine shipped on Friday from Farnell Spain  ;D


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: Mostie on August 27, 2012, 07:58:32 PM
Hello Clivejo, it only just arrived from CPC, had a bit of a time just to get a screenshot  >:(
However the picture on a Samsung 40" is ok, I think the fonts need changed though, they don't look that sharp.
I will just use it for experiments, maybe that will lead to it finding a permanent job  :)


Title: Re: ultra small computer
Post by: sam123 on December 25, 2012, 05:55:48 PM
I have this. Great product. Look videos from youtube: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mk808+android+4.1&oq=mk808&gs_l=youtube.3.2.0l10.361.661.0.6403.3.2.0.0.0.0.682.1189.5-2.2.0...0.0...1ac.1.Nn2dX5eMJDs

Be sure that you have at least 2 amps power supply, I bought mine:
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/MK808-Dual-Core-Android-4-1-Jelly-Bean-TV-BOX-Rockchip-RK3066-Cortex-A9-Mini-PC-stick-307415.html

Cheers, Sami