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Title: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: martin on May 29, 2013, 09:41:17 AM
Further on the quest for caravan sounds, I spotted a very good deal in my local Co-op for an Android tablet (An Acer Iconia B1) for what boiled down to £79 with cashback, and I reckoned that would do my music needs in the caravan a treat (feeding a car amp), and would be perfect for the odd bit of emailing or internetting whilst on tour. So I got it home, fired it up, and was gratified to find it seamlessly grabbed the wifi connection - from which point it all started going downhill.......... first of all you are required to spend ages "registering" with the great god Google (what brand of lavatory paper did your paternal grandfather prefer?)
Having got that over and done with, you then find "suggestions" of albums appearing on screen, and no apparent way of getting rid of them - a quick squint at the "quick start" guide gives no illumination, so you are sent on a wild goose chase round Acer's site, looking for the manual......By this point I'd become so fed up with the totally unintuitive tablet that I ended up downloading it onto my (Linux Mint) computer - despite a great deal of wasted time, I still can't get rid of the damned album adverts, even with the help of the manual..... :fume
So rather than resorting to the hammer, I decided to try something else, and decided to bung some MP3s onto it so I could wander down to the caravan and see how it'd work in practice....... Bad move! Plugged the damn  thing into my main (Mint) computer, and find that it isn't "recognised", and following some Googling discover that Mint doesn't like speaking to Androids, and would entail lots of faffing with the terminal to achieve it, or the downloading of some programme that allows data transfer using browsers - so I downloaded it, and found it was a "teaser" for a "pay" programme, so decided on desperate measures - fire up the laptop that still has a partition with Wndoze XP2 on it (the literature said "it'll just work with Windows") - of course, it didn't! So I downloaded the recommended software from Acer, and started to install it - halfway through, it aborts, demanding that you connect the tablet (which IS connected). Having tried every permutation, it just wasn't going to play, so very late last night come to an inescapable conclusion - "you're going back!" (I'm returning it later this morning as "faulty"), although I suspect it's just cr*p.......

Along the way I obviously "played" with my new toy and was singularly unamazed, found it deeply unintuitive, and downright annoying - blasted album ads kept popping up, and for some odd reason a Google search thingy kept popping up unbidden, and I still haven't found an easy way of getting rid of it........primal scream therapy time! So is it just me, or are Android tablets more than a bit rubbish?


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: biff on May 29, 2013, 10:13:59 AM
You obviously have a lot more patience than I have,there is no doubt about it.
                       My son bought me my very first PC. I would come home in the evening from work and boot up and try and grasp the basics.
 After about a month of this slogging I ran up against a stone wall.I remember it was something simple but the bally thing would just revert back to nothing.My son was watching me from the other side of the room.I was getting more exasperated till finally I leaped up,ripped the keyboard off the pc jumped up like a chimp and whanged the keyboard of the floor.
           Well it flew to smithereens,I could not believe there were so many little bits and pieces in a key board not only that I could not believe how stupid and foolish I had been.I look around to see where my son was and found him out in the back garden,tears in his eyes and doubled over with the laughing.We was still finding little copper washers belonging to that keyboard months after that and my son would hold a piece up and ask.
      "Are you sure you dont need this bit"?
                                        Biff


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: garethpuk on May 29, 2013, 10:23:47 AM
The Android operating system works well, its the cheap tablet part that usually results in crappy hardware. I suspect that and some poor Acer software have caused all your problems!

I recken any tablet that's less than £200 is probably cheap for a reason.


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: smegal on May 29, 2013, 10:35:12 AM
The Android operating system works well, its the cheap tablet part that usually results in crappy hardware. I suspect that and some poor Acer software have caused all your problems!

I recken any tablet that's less than £200 is probably cheap for a reason.

From my experience of Acer. I think that you may be correct. It may be worth seeing if there are ways to remove some of the software and install a music player that doesn't have ads.

It also sounds that you have been unfortunate with the different systems not talking to each other. Hopefully you'll get it sorted relatively easily.


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: martin on May 29, 2013, 10:57:51 AM
Had a word to the Coop HQ, the store should give me a full refund on it as "faulty".......Really can't be stuffed to waste any more time on it (it's confirmed my initial view of touchscreen systems, which was not favourable)...... whistle


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: mespilus on May 29, 2013, 11:22:34 AM
I think you, (and the CoOp), were a little duped.

Acer wanted to compete with the no-brands,
and assumed they could bundle a load of bloatware
and maybe get a secondayr earnings stream from whatever media you bought.

We have an Ainol 7, (with the elvish custom rom), a couple of years old now,
but the microSD slot alows us to load up whatever media we like in the laptop.

I think we are now two generations behind the latest Ainol
and I have no idea of the current build quality,
but a quick search will find the latest device
and plentiful user comments.


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: clivejo on May 29, 2013, 12:04:08 PM
I'm afraid after repairing computers branded as Acer I would not recommend the brand to anyone, in fact I wouldnt touch one with a barge pole.  They use cheap components from god knows where!!  The drivers are buggy and not supported.  I would think this is partly your problem as Linux only tends to support hardware with open source or well behaved with current standards.

The ads are probably a deal to make up for the cheap price tag.  Cant really blame Acer for that! There was a time when even Windows came pre-installed with 3rd party software like the AOL client.  All teasers and demos so that you would get hooked and end up paying for it!  


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: martin on May 29, 2013, 12:17:19 PM
Sorted! - it went back from whence it came - full refund, no quibbles! exhappy:

Never mind, it's confirmed my earlier dislike of touch screens, and I now know that me and Android do not get on (seems even more control-freakish than bally Windoze)


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: marcus on May 29, 2013, 12:44:09 PM
I feel I need to stickup for acer a bit here; there's no denying they're cheap and that does show through sooner or later, but I'm using an Acer laptop (as I type) that I bought many years ago (can't remember when, but it's win XP and it was shortly before then next windows version came out), and, yes, one or two of the buttons are getting a little temperamental (the mousepad buttons), but it is still working.

By contrast an Apple macbook I've got (which is newer and much less used/abused) has developed several faults including keyboard faliure (requiring a new keyboard), USB faliue (would require a new motherboard to repair), the battery's dead, and the mains power supply is dead, and the backlight of the screen has an intermittent connection.

Maybe I've just been unusually lucky with my Acer and unlucky with the mac, but, needless to say, I won't be buying another (cr)apple, and I could buy several replacement acers for the price of one new mac.


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: titan on May 29, 2013, 01:15:30 PM
Sorted! - it went back from whence it came - full refund, no quibbles! exhappy:

Never mind, it's confirmed my earlier dislike of touch screens, and I now know that me and Android do not get on (seems even more control-freakish than bally Windoze)

Ironical the vanilla Android flavour from Google is much better than any of the hardware sellers versions who add their own layer full of garbage. You may have been able to root it and put a modified version on such as cyanogen mod, which I did with my HTC phone. The file transfer problem is because from Ice cream sandwich  USB mass storage is no longer used and MPT is the file transfer method. You could use the Airdroid app (free) to transfer files using your wifi or Google drive ( free) just upload from your PC ( drag and drop) and download to your Android device, simple.


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: martin on May 29, 2013, 01:44:47 PM
Airdroid is the thing I downloaded - it's "teaserware" with a 100mb limit before you have to pay, which in the context of several gigs of mp3s is not a lot... and having been running Linux for some 6 years, I'm now allergic to paying for software (how quaint and 20th century....... ;D)


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: clivejo on May 29, 2013, 02:13:12 PM
ahhh Martin your too stuck in your ways!  Your like the old guys who said the mouse would never catch on!   

Get a decent tablet and give it a chance!!  They are great for reading(e-books), checking emails and the small boring jobs tablets make it so much easier.  Of course you shouldnt expect to move everything to a tablet, you still need a full size keyboard and large screen for some things.


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: biff on May 29, 2013, 03:12:08 PM
At least he did not whang it off the floor Clive, whistle
                                      Biff


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: titan on May 29, 2013, 04:29:06 PM
Airdroid is the thing I downloaded - it's "teaserware" with a 100mb limit before you have to pay, which in the context of several gigs of mp3s is not a lot..and having been running Linux for some 6 years

Airdroid is rated at 4.8 ( from 5) on the play site which would seem to indicate a well regarded app.  The free app  works fine for me ( and just about everyone else)  it transfers files between my pc and phone, using my wifi no adverts, no limits. I first saw it recommended on a Linux forum. According to the spec sheet the Acer Iconia Tab B1-  can have a micro SD card up to 32GB it would probably quicker to transfer "several gigs of mp3s" using a card reader.


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: martin on May 29, 2013, 05:19:13 PM
Is it perhaps an Acer thing? - it was definitely limited to 100mb.....
All I wanted to do was to use a simple cable connection to add mp3s, and am really somewhat at at a loss to understand why it's so blooming difficult.......
In retrospect, I think I've had a narrow squeak as I really couldn't get to grips with the interface at all (I had a touch screen mobile at one point, and soon gratefully returned to a keyboard). At one point I was on the Acer site trying to press one of three buttons on a page - however hard I tried, it resolutely refused to allow me to click the one I needed - I was tapping, stabbing and everything I could think of - it just didn't want to know, and reduced me to a gibbering wreck "work you motherf***ing thing!!!" - Perhaps Clivejo is right, I may be set in my ways, and prefer not to need a large hammer at hand when computing..... ;D


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: clivejo on May 29, 2013, 06:25:55 PM
At least he did not whang it off the floor Clive, whistle
                                      Biff

I have never whanged anything off the floor, it jumped out of my hand and accidentally fell after I called it some rude words!  Probably the shock of hearing me curse.

Now the hammer thing, that was on purpose!! And boy did I get a lot of pleasure from it!   :hysteria


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: todthedog on May 29, 2013, 06:50:01 PM
Martin use a Google nexus, no problems. Good ereader  up to20,000 tracks from your music collection stored free on the cloud, WiFi to date has worked faultlessly no problems with adverts.  All on android. I guess you just had a bum bit of kit.


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: wookey on May 30, 2013, 03:07:08 AM
Martin. Pick a tablet that is supported by cyanogenmod. That way you don't have to register with the google mothership before you can do anything.

Or you could use a nexus 7 and install ubuntu on it, but as you're no fan of unity you might not enjoy that (unity on a touch screen is lot less annoying than unity on a desktop). It's also rather 'not finished yet' at this stage, but is a good way of getting 'proper linux' on a tablet. Sailfish from Jolla, Firefox OS, and Plasma Active (device list here: http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Devices ) are all other ways of getting a real linux tablet. Things are in the process of getting very interesting.


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: Quakered on May 30, 2013, 11:00:58 AM
“There is nothing in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and he who considers price only is that man's lawful prey.

Get an iPad!


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: martin on May 30, 2013, 11:26:35 AM
Not with the proverbial ten foot bargepole! Firstly it's an Apple product, produced in atrocious conditions, sold at a ludicrously inflated price, and locking you into being a consumer of Apple branded stuff (like music). I've come to the conclusion that my initial response to touch screens and tablets was correct - how daft to go shoving your grubby mitts all over a screen through which you are trying to peer.........
Should I ever venture into tablet land again, it will probably be in the directions suggested by Wookey - I resent being locked into some control freak arrangement, whether it's Microsoft, Apple or nowadays Google - I've probably been spoilt by years of using Linux - it "just does it", gets out of the bloody way and lets me get on wtih whatever I'm sitting at a compouter for,  and above all, is not forever trying to flog me stuff!


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: todthedog on May 30, 2013, 11:53:46 AM
So then MP3 player ? :crossed


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: martin on May 30, 2013, 02:00:36 PM
Awaiting delivery!....... ;D


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: todthedog on May 30, 2013, 02:14:27 PM
 exhappy: exhappy: exhappy:


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: clivejo on May 30, 2013, 04:19:17 PM
I've come to the conclusion that my initial response to touch screens and tablets was correct - how daft to go shoving your grubby mitts all over a screen through which you are trying to peer.........

Its good to go into it with an open mind  :hysteria


Title: Re: Android tablet - is it me?
Post by: wookey on May 30, 2013, 11:54:07 PM
Heh. Martin gets it.

At least on this subject we are in agreement :-)