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Title: Home and insulation
Post by: aron the spammer on March 11, 2014, 06:24:45 AM
I want to discuss with you guys about insulation. There are mainly two types of insulation in the home i.e are made primarily using glass or rock. Which one you use between these two? Which one is better if we compare them? What is your experience on these? Your comment will be appreciated.




Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: regen on March 11, 2014, 06:39:45 AM
"I want to discuss with you guys about insulation. There are mainly two types of insulation in the home i.e are made primarily using glass or rock. Which one you use between these two? Which one is better if we compare them? What is your experience on these? Your comment will be appreciated."

Aron,

If you read the last 200 posts on here under the energy efficiency and insulation section you will realise that there is more to the subject than glass or rock. Regen



Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: clockmanFR on March 11, 2014, 12:03:00 PM
As I said, I am now trying Sheep.  ;D


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: danmc_82 on March 11, 2014, 12:13:36 PM
Whats insulation?


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: Greenbeast on March 11, 2014, 12:18:08 PM
And how good is insulation made from rock?

Is that what they were doing when they made old farmhouses 2' thick out of local stone....


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: todthedog on March 11, 2014, 02:35:12 PM
When cold I stuff a cat down my jumper.
This is my last reply to any of your posts.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: daserra on March 11, 2014, 06:58:52 PM
Off to shear some rock.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: clockmanFR on March 11, 2014, 07:05:45 PM
"Cat down Jumper", got to see that Tod.    ?  :hysteria :hysteria


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: biff on March 11, 2014, 07:25:06 PM
That could be dangerous Tod,
                            We have cats around here that you could not even look at never mind stuff them down your jumper. :hysteria
                                                                             Biff


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: Bodidly on March 11, 2014, 07:30:29 PM
 A cat down the jumper  :o This would result in a trip to intensive care with our moggy.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: todthedog on March 11, 2014, 08:17:11 PM
You just have to choose the cat dependant on temperature.
Summer cat

(http://s24.postimg.org/50fa8impd/P1060786.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/50fa8impd/)

Autumn cat

(http://s29.postimg.org/u83t9gbc3/P1040881.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/u83t9gbc3/)
Winter cat

(http://s30.postimg.org/kra1ugk4d/P1060561.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/kra1ugk4d/)
Spring cat


(http://s30.postimg.org/5dkykr8il/P1030450.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5dkykr8il/)
Of course in extreme conditions you can add more than one, this will of course mean violent movement which will warm you up.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on March 11, 2014, 08:19:43 PM
"Cat down Jumper", got to see that Tod.    ?  :hysteria :hysteria

Yeah, me too. I've often heard of a duck down duvet, but never a cat down jumper.

Still, it raised my eyebrows less than your confession that you are "now trying sheep". But being Welsh, who am I too judge, After all, what a man gets up to in the privacy of his own loft, is his business and nobody else's!  :angel:

On a more serious note (just for a change), isn't 'regular' loft insulation made from spun liquid rock, or is it perhaps I that has been spun a line?

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on March 11, 2014, 08:56:30 PM
Tod, I'm not sure I'd trust 'summer cat', there's a look in the eye's, plus it's packing a knife!

As this thread appears to have gone animal mad, I thought I'd share a couple of stories from yesterday.

Tale 1. Swan Lake, and the circle of life: one of the nicest days each year, when on my daily wander around the local park/lake is to see the newly hatched signets, here's a pic form ~6th May 2013

(http://s28.postimg.org/vjms0wiix/IMG_1441.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/vjms0wiix/)

but yesterday is one of the annual sad days. After 10 months of living together 24/7 Mr Swan began relentlessly chasing the surviving 3 fully grown signets off the lake. It happens each year at about this time, once Mrs Swan decides it's time to build a nest. Oh well, that's nature I guess.


Tale 2. He was just an old saggy cloth cat, but Emily loved him: We've been getting a visitor now for about 2 years. He's been named Flash, as although he's a big fellah, he's 'gone in a ..' out the catflap as soon as he sees or hears us. He's feral, but submissive to our guys, and just wants a quick munch of biccies from the conservatory and a warm curl up on the cane furniture when it's peeing down outside. But he doesn't trust us enough to stay for long.

Well, after 2 years of patience, I managed to just touch him last week, and during the next 3 visits managed a gentle fuss, having bribed him with some fresh wet food. Yesterday he let me stroke him properly, he's a big solid boy, but extremely scared. But finally managed a photo.


(http://s13.postimg.org/ub4u42jab/IMG_1524.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ub4u42jab/)

You can't save em all, but you can help a few.

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: dimengineer on March 11, 2014, 10:03:04 PM
I thought a "cat down jumper" was a euphemism for something entirely different. But one lives and learns.. bike:


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: Greenbeast on March 12, 2014, 08:20:24 AM
great pics tod

and  good work with the feral Mart.


We should have a navipets thread somewhere i will post pics of our pack(s)


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: Greenbeast on March 12, 2014, 08:27:01 AM
here we go

http://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/index.php/topic,22276.0.html (http://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/index.php/topic,22276.0.html)


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: biff on March 12, 2014, 08:44:09 AM
Morning Mart,
              I once built a house into the side of a hill overlooking a beautiful lake,It was unspoiled then and the regs concerning the house construction were very strict.I got it built and we lived there for 6 years.Every year we saw the drama played out on the lake below.There was the North of the lake and the south of the lake and the reed beds grew in profusion on the north east side, in the lee of another hill.The reed beds would make up no more than an acre and the swans needed these reed beds to build there nests and screen them from the preying eyes of humans.
            So,each year, they fought over the reed beds and there was nothing anyone could do but watch nature take its course.The losers would drift to the Southern end of the lake bloodied and beaten.They would maybe starve for a week before keeling over and floating away before Mr Fox was brave enough to get close.
       However,some years odd things happened and two males would guard the nest.This combination was much more aggressive and needed more room.So I got out my Lorenz library and looked it up and there it was,all down in black and white,documented by the great man himself(of course a "reformed" great man who learned a deal from the Russians during his stay there ;D).
     You know of course that swans are well able to take care of any foolish dog that ventures too near their patch.It is a very painful experience for a dog owner to watch his dog being lured out of its depth and then have its skull caved in. Swans are the most beautiful birds you could possible imagine but there lives are tough and their laws are even tougher.Swans figure a lot in ancient Irish myths and fairey tales such as the "Children of Lir".However Christianity managed to mingled and muddle up most of the original tales.The stories have one thing in common,none have happy endings.I would have a health respect for swans.
                                     Biff


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: Greenbeast on March 12, 2014, 09:04:27 AM
I actually saw swans in flight for the first time ever this morning, swooping fairly low over the road i was on across the misty marshes, very pleasant experience on my commute


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: todthedog on March 12, 2014, 07:08:51 PM
Love the stories Mart.
You would be right not to trust Trex, she has a vicious left hook.
It is really rewarding when you can get a wild creature to trust you. Seems a lovely chap.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on March 12, 2014, 09:41:11 PM
Hi Biff. There is something special about Swans, they really are quite majestic. Today's stroll to the lake, revealed all 3 signets still bravely trying to stay, but all 3 together and about 10 feet up the bank, away from the lake. I didn't see Mr Swan, as I walked an outside circuit, trying to re-open a path that has closed with brambles. Nearly done, just a few more stompy strolls, armed with my trusty Fiskars secateurs should do it.

The lake is only about 14 years old, nothing more than a scooped out bowl, with some cheap landscaping, but it's getting well established now. There are about 20 large fenced areas where trees and bushes have now filled. but going back a few years, when thinner, the swans (during flight lessons) had a tendency of landing inside them and getting stuck. So I have on about 10 occasions climbed in and carried a swan out. They are surprisingly light.

Tod, I got Flash'ed again tonight, slight noise of catflap going, and on investigating, there he was in the conservatory having a munch. He let me get most of the way in, but bottled it and fled at the last moment. However he was waiting patiently outside the backdoor for some fresh food. Slight progress, he didn't wait for me to close the door this time (which I then have to slowly re-open) but came up almost immediately. Also whilst being fussed he backed off, but not out of reach, so I kept gently fussing him, and he moved forward for more grub. Not sure if he'll ever warm to physical attention, but hopefully he'll accept that our place is a safe place for him.

Here's a pic of Hemmie, my sadly missed, but still adored feral friend, who moved in with us about 6 years ago, for his last couple of years. He's definitely Moe's father, and very similar to Flash, but

**just got flash'ed again**

I'm back, where was I, I don't think Flash is old enough to be Hemmie's, but possibly a descendant. Haven't had a good look at his toes yet, Hemmie had 8 extra, Moe has 4 extra.

Hemmie cat, some years back:

(http://s16.postimg.org/xr1d50x1d/hemmi5.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/xr1d50x1d/)

Flash cat, just now:

(http://s30.postimg.org/r6lcbt9lp/IMG_1526.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/r6lcbt9lp/)

And, whilst this is all going on, Mickey cat (who lives 2 streets over) lying down behind me, enjoying the facilities:

(http://s9.postimg.org/yyz70xwxn/IMG_1517.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/yyz70xwxn/)

Forgive the mess, decorating small bedroom, and dumped everything in here, much to the appreciation of the Cardiff Cat Club.

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: clockmanFR on March 12, 2014, 10:04:02 PM
Mart, Mrs CM is in Cardiff next week, shall I send her round your place?   :o


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: biff on March 12, 2014, 10:45:03 PM
Hi Mart,
        You obviously have a way with wild animals.I would not go near a swan.
                                               Biff


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on March 13, 2014, 07:35:52 AM
Hi Mart,
        You obviously have a way with wild animals.I would not go near a swan.
                                               Biff

Hi Biff, they're not too bad, unless they have very young signets with them. When stuck I found it quite easy to grab em, just walk up gently, they 'give it large' (literally), then try to waddle off. Step up quick to their side, squat down, knee and thigh to one side (trapping the wing down), arm over and under, trapping the other wing, and hand round neck, holding neck with circle formed by finger to thumb, so not actually holding tight. I'd guess they weigh about 15 to 20 pounds.

That's the easy bit. The tricky bit is letting them go. I'm sure there must be a trick to it, as 50% of the time I've done it, the ungrateful gits get a well aimed wingtip flick right in my face.

The current pair moved in about 5 years ago driving the resident female off when nesting season arrived. Sadly her partner 'Hitler' had gone off to a rescue centre after losing a wing following an incident with an American Bulldog. He was one stroppy dominant swan, and would actually leave the safety of the water to chase dogs - a silly move, as dogs are brave and not all are intimidated by the show of size.

One year, when the signets were only about a week old, Hitler's missus brought them over to me for some free food, but they were just too small and he was just too stressed, so he climbed out and kept pecking my calf, then when I squated down to protect my battered leg, he started smacking me across the shoulder blades with his wing. I tried a peace offering of some bread, which he snatched out of my fingers and tossed across the grass. I decided I was stressing him too much, and didn't want him to hurt his wing, so made a tactical retreat. Once the signets were 2 weeks old he relaxed and was happy for the free food. Bit of a nutter, but a very good parent.

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on March 13, 2014, 07:38:21 AM
Mart, Mrs CM is in Cardiff next week, shall I send her round your place?   :o

Hiya CM. Of course, all are welcome. I'll make her a cup of tea, and place it on the back door step if she's brave and friendly enough to approach?  :crossed

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: skyewright on March 13, 2014, 09:43:19 AM
Yeah, me too. I've often heard of a duck down duvet, but never a cat down jumper.
SWMBO has a cartoon clipped from a mag years ago. It shows a couple on a sofa, surrounded by cats, in an obviously cold house. The caption is "Pass me another cat".  ;D


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: skyewright on March 13, 2014, 10:05:09 AM
Well, after 2 years of patience, I managed to just touch him last week, and during the next 3 visits managed a gentle fuss, having bribed him with some fresh wet food. Yesterday he let me stroke him properly, he's a big solid boy, but extremely scared. But finally managed a photo.
Great work. One of our rescues spent several weeks in a corner huddled behind a strategically placed box (emerging for the essentials when we weren't around). She was soon  happy to fuss a hand dangled over the box, but it was ages before we could manage eye contact & physical contact at the same time. It was about 5 years before she jumped up on a knee (& even then the knee had to be hidden by a cushion). She's been with us around 18 years now (& so we think she's about 20?). She's still her own boss (& ours!) but we seem to be considered pretty thoroughly (though not perfectly) trained up to suit her requirements now.  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: todthedog on March 13, 2014, 05:14:51 PM
I have never had a problem with swans but I would be very wary around breeding time.

Our first geese came to us second hand so to speak, absolute little *hit. I could handle him OK hand round the neck and other arm sweep up under the arm.  However a little slow one day and still bare the scar on the thigh, lucky not a few inches to the right. It's like having flesh twisted off with pliers.

However a week or so later he killed a chicken and Mrs T signed the death warrent.  Confit he became. We then found a pair of guinea geese, a few days out of the egg so to speak.  Totally different,grown up with us come and say hello, pets in fact.  Mott to stay away from the all white bu**ers.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on March 14, 2014, 11:22:25 AM
Hi skyewright, you sound as daft as me!

News Flash! He popped round yesterday afternoon, first daylight visit in the 2 years, in fact, last 2 summers we didn't see him at all. Same routine, rattled a food bowl, then waited for him to approach. He also curled up on our path for 5 mins so seemed more relaxed. Then Hobbes (fat ginga) arrived, and didn't seem bothered by Flash at all, so definitely a submissive cat, or else Hobbes would have 'had a go'.

Neighbours asked me to feed their cats today till sunday, as they've popped off to their little westcoast holiday home. Their cats Zig & Zag are about 18 years old, and live in the greenhouse when they are away. Text message from neighbours last night suggested that there may be a squatter in the greenhouse.

This morning when I arrived Zig & Zag were waiting for me inside (there is a catflap in the back), and as I opened the door, up popped Flash from a spare bed, ran to the catflap, but seemed to recognise me and calmed down, before finally leaving but watching from a short safe distance. As far as I could tell the Z's weren't at all bothered by him.

These neighbours are the ones that first befriended (and named) Hemmie many years ago. So that's two places where he can blag a warm bed at night.

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: skyewright on March 14, 2014, 12:14:42 PM
Hi skyewright, you sound as daft as me!
I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks.  ;D


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: todthedog on March 14, 2014, 05:56:59 PM
Love it Mart,  ;D
I'm sure it is a compliment skyewright, I would happily be called daft by M.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on March 26, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Hi skyewright, you sound as daft as me!
I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks.  ;D

Hiya skyewright, definitely a compliment. Maybe it's a 'Welsh' thing, but also meant with a little affection:- "you're daft with that [cat/dog/horse etc]".

Quick update, may have to rename Flash (gone in a ..) as he no longer makes a dash for the catflap the moment he sees me. Though 'dash' and 'flash' were always relative terms as he's roughly the same size as the catflap. Yesterday morning I went to walk into the conservatory but he was already in there (first time in daylight), he braced to run, but I blinked at him, he blinked back (rinse and repeat a few times) then he settled back down as I backed away from the inner door. Perhaps his new name could be Jeff as in G.I.A.F? Any suggestions (polite ones)?

Quick snap of him (note Agent 1BDi keeping an eye on him):

(http://s29.postimg.org/bj94t8wvn/IMG_1538.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/bj94t8wvn/)

and even 'fat ginga' who owns the garden doesn't seem at all bothered by him:

(http://s27.postimg.org/pi18s4wtb/IMG_1534.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/pi18s4wtb/)

I believe my work is done. Next project, pics of the next clutch of signets, probably 6 weeks from now.

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: todthedog on March 26, 2014, 09:21:46 AM
Bravo Mart,
Looking forward to signet pics.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: biff on March 26, 2014, 09:42:59 AM
Good morning Mart,
                   The cat looking in the window, looks a bit peeved.It is like he is trying to say,"That is my seat you big bully and when Masta Mart comes along you will have to hoof it"  Then you come along Mart,Take the pic and the poor guy is heartbroken that you did not give a good hard boot,up the rump, to the moggy on the couch as he went through the catflap...The problem with a Tom like that,is that they have to pee everywhere to mark their patch but maybe you have some way of preventing that,
         Great pics
                      Biff


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on March 26, 2014, 10:47:33 AM
Thanks Tod. Signets usually arrive during the 2nd week of May. One of last years is still at the lake, but hiding in a small secluded pond round the back. Can't be long before the boss finds him/her and drives it off.  :(

Hiya Biff. There is a way of stopping/reducing the spraying, but it does involve gaining the cat's trust, before a visit to the vets, and the subsequent loss of trust and a couple of other things too.  :o

Calvin (Agent 1BDi) happily walks through the conservatory when Flash is in residence, and we didn't start giving him food till we saw he was submissive to our little clowder. He definitely doesn't have a home now, but I wonder if he did in the past. He seems too big to be full feral and submissive at the same time, and despite a fluffy face, I'm pretty certain he hasn't grown a mane, so never became dominant. As he still sprays I assume he's 'intact' so a bit of a contradiction.

BTW, now officially bilingual (no, not Welsh, can't understand it, it's all Greek to me) having met a guy with a Staffie and a Beagle now several times in the park, I've learnt Beagle howl "RRrrWWhooWWhooWWhooo" and can now instigate a conversation. Yep, I'm as daft as a brush!

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on May 06, 2014, 08:14:43 AM
Ok boys and gals, you're best wishes, and fingers crossed are now needed.

We currently have a Flash-in-the-box.

Didn't want to do this, but he turned up about 10 days ago with a nasty scab on his cheek, and each day it scabs over, but also has a fresh puss circle about 2mm all round. Today it's about 30mm and still weeping, and co-incidentally he came into the conservatory, too hungry to wait for me to open the back door to feed him.

Wifey and I decided we couldn't leave it any longer as it's getting worse fast and smells horrible. So I locked the cat flap and grabbed him. I'm a reasonably competent cat-wrangler but after 3 or 4 scrambles and fights for the cat-flap, he grabbed hold of it, then ripped the inside off, before bracing himself and smashing the clear door into two parts, that landed some way down the garden.

Bit upsetting, but on opening the back door, and being patient, he actually came back for more food. This time I went for it, Wifey jumped in with a towel, and we shoved him into our larger, stronger cat carrier. He proceeded to bash his way out and head for freedom.

Freedom (daylight) was between my legs (so to speak) as I was kneeling in front of the back door, he got stuck, I told Wifey things were about to get a lot more painful but luckily he didn't use his teeth or front claws at any point. So Wifey closed the back door, and we wrestled him into the box. I then laid over it whilst she got rope and a towel, and we now have a cat / catbox / towel / rope parcel for the vet to unwrap - should they choose to accept this mission.

Vets opens at 8.30. Fingers crossed, but I have my doubts, wound is too big, growing too fast, and smells terrible. Assuming we get there in one piece, I'm not sure what they'll suggest, but couldn't leave him to get any worse, and possibly disappear and deteriorate.

Pics of cat flap (remains) to follow, and maybe some of the dozen or so, back leg claw cuts he got in, whilst panicking.

Here's hoping. Update to follow.

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on May 06, 2014, 10:03:53 AM
Update. Flash is now at the vets. Vet sounded optimistic about the sore/abscess. My fear was that he would take one sniff of the awful stench and say, no hope. But that wasn't the case, so Flash is down for a clean-up, a check over and (he'll wish he never popped over this morning) a castration! Vet says he has a thing for feral cats, as they are so different. He may turn into a big kitten after the snip. Big strong, frightened kitten with 5 sharp ends!

Very good chance that if he's ok, and cost us a fortune, he'll never come round the house again, but thems the breaks.

Ready for a laugh, here are some pics:

The result of attempt 1 (after locking the catflap)

(http://s12.postimg.org/7l2ax2bg9/IMG_1556.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/7l2ax2bg9/)

The results of attempt 2;
some of the minor injuries, all back leg kicks, no bites or swipes, pretty light considering


(http://s18.postimg.org/p2blnzced/IMG_1555.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/p2blnzced/)

Flash-in-a-box, looks like overkill, but he was able to pop or buckle most of the clips immediately, so rope was needed. The trip to the vets also included a bungee cord attached to both sides of the front gate and wrapped round the back - we didn't want a loose Flash in the car. Vet laughed, but was mildly impressed


(http://s9.postimg.org/nvzkg39nv/IMG_1554.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/nvzkg39nv/)

Off to finish decorating our ickle bedroom, about 1 hrs worth of work left, then clean away tools. Maybe, just maybe, if he makes it, we might try to house him for a week, assuming he doesn't try to fight his way free.

I really must learn to ignore animals in need, or get a bigger house.

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: clockmanFR on May 06, 2014, 10:20:42 AM
Welcome to wild cat land.  sh*tfan:

yep, we have 2 wild r.uggers, I can not do anything with, except feed them.  tomato:

"Just pop a pill into the kitties mouth", yea right, on your bike. svengo

Swarfega M, all my kitties love it, Not. It goes in their fighting wounds and in mine. Just a shame Swarfega did not work on Sheep to make them look after their lambs.  facepalm


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: Greenbeast on May 06, 2014, 11:32:47 AM
ha ha, i used to have a domestic cat that would pop those cat boxes open like it was nothing too!


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: todthedog on May 06, 2014, 12:33:05 PM
Love it.
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Flash's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day.



Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on May 06, 2014, 12:43:08 PM
The bill is going up, ker-ching. Vet rang to say face is fixed and 'bits' are gone. I did ask him to check his teeth (Flash's not the Vet's!) as I'd noticed he seemed to struggle some times. Turns out he's got a couple of broken teeth, and some bad gums, ker-ching.

Oh well, it's only money ......

I mentioned that we had to mug him, against our better judgement, as his face was looking pretty horrific, the vet said it'll look even more horrific now, as the wound will be left open .... lovely!

He'll get long lasting antibiotics injected under the skin, so we don't have to keep him in, if he goes nuts (no pun intended) and decides to fight his way to freedom. But we'll give it a go locking him in, but I'm not confident. Vet said he'll become much more friendly in 2 to 3 weeks when the hormones change (again, Flash, not the Vet). So, assuming he doesn't hold a grudge, and decides to visit again - on the basis that he doesn't have much (more) to lose - then he may patrol less, and settle with/near us a bit more.

Bringing him home should be fun, "we're gonna need a stronger box", he's the wrong side of 7kg. Or perhaps a whip and a chair, but that'll probably distract Wifey from the driving.

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: Greenbeast on May 06, 2014, 01:52:43 PM
The bill is going up, ker-ching. Vet rang to say face is fixed and 'bits' are gone. I did ask him to check his teeth (Flash's not the Vet's!) as I'd noticed he seemed to struggle some times. Turns out he's got a couple of broken teeth, and some bad gums, ker-ching.

Oh well, it's only money ......

I mentioned that we had to mug him, against our better judgement, as his face was looking pretty horrific, the vet said it'll look even more horrific now, as the wound will be left open .... lovely!

He'll get long lasting antibiotics injected under the skin, so we don't have to keep him in, if he goes nuts (no pun intended) and decides to fight his way to freedom. But we'll give it a go locking him in, but I'm not confident. Vet said he'll become much more friendly in 2 to 3 weeks when the hormones change (again, Flash, not the Vet). So, assuming he doesn't hold a grudge, and decides to visit again - on the basis that he doesn't have much (more) to lose - then he may patrol less, and settle with/near us a bit more.

Bringing him home should be fun, "we're gonna need a stronger box", he's the wrong side of 7kg. Or perhaps a whip and a chair, but that'll probably distract Wifey from the driving.

Mart.


hehe, many chuckles over here. good luck taming the beast


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: todthedog on May 06, 2014, 03:30:45 PM
Mart
 If I was a stray I couldn't wish to fetch up at a better place than yours.
Would need to keep an eye on my bits though!!! ;D


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on May 06, 2014, 08:43:34 PM
Mart
 If I was a stray I couldn't wish to fetch up at a better place than yours.
Would need to keep an eye on my bits though!!! ;D

Tod, you are welcome anytime. And don't worry about your bits, we'll pop the jar on the mantlepiece where we can all keep a careful eye on em.

Right, update, Flash is home, we got him late afternoon. We arrived at the vets and I was chatting to a woman and her daughter whilst Wifey paid (180, not too bad, and it included a bottle of insulin for Hobbes). The ladies had a mesh carrier with a 9 month old queen in it, I said hello, and she gave me a good hissy spit. The couple apologised and warned that she was a bit of a handful. At that exact moment, and with perfect comic timing, Natalie the veterinary nurse handed Flash and box over the counter, still towel wrapped and with rope all over it, prompting mother to ask 'what the hell is in there?'.  :hysteria

To be fair, Flash was hiding at the back. Natalie said he looked grumpy, but I think the face was actually saying - "I turned up, waited patiently for some food, I strolled in when you called me, and you jumped on me, I ran through the moveable window, that stopped moving, then you called me back, and two of you jumped me, shoved me in a box and took me somewhere. Now I wake up, my face is sore, my mouth is sore, and something feels distinctly different at the other end ..... I dare to think ..... so how, exactly, can this day get any worse?"

The trip back was quiet, Flash decided it was best to just stay in his box, so we decided to leave him, and will check on him a bit later when he's feeling better - that'll be fun!

Natalie was telling us that she simply couldn't believe how bad the smell was from his face, so we probably did the right thing. She asked if we could bring him back in 3 days for a check up, we made a counter-offer of e-mailing a photo, I think we'll need more than 3 days to recover from today's feral (semi-feral) cat boxing exercise, and I suspect Flash would agree too.  surrender:

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: clockmanFR on May 06, 2014, 10:24:58 PM
Lovely Story.

Bravo M and Mrs M.

 :)

Mind you for 180 I would expect Natalie to deliver my night time coco in person and tuck me up!.  :genuflect


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: todthedog on May 07, 2014, 04:57:34 PM
Great news Mart and Mrs M.
Please accept the Tod the Dog, 'Legion d' Dogeur' for exceptional services to animals.
You are only the second recipients, Tod awarded himself the medal for saving one our cats from the neighbours dog.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on May 09, 2014, 08:22:50 AM
Well, what can I say. 3 days ago we caught a tiger by the tail. But the tiger has turned into a teddy bear.

Wifey and I have been taking shifts, popping in every hour or so, and talking to him (not easy having a conversation with a cat, only so many times I can repeat the countries of the world song, before we both looked bored).

Last night I started rubbing his cheek, and scratching his ear, and he flopped on his side. Got Wifey out of bed to see him responding, and to our surprise he finally came out of the box that he'd been refusing to leave - the same box we fought tooth and claw to get him into - (that Alanis dear, is what irony is, not overbuying spoons when you need a knife!).

So he popped out, let me fuss him, and popped back in quick, rinse and repeat about 3 times. This morning I tried again, and out he came

(http://s29.postimg.org/3wxn1wr37/IMG_1579.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3wxn1wr37/)

Managed to get a video of him giving me head butts, which I'll try to upload to dropbox.

So far, one of the sweetest and gentlest cats I've met. There's no way this fellah is a full blown feral, I suspect something happened to him and he ended up on the streets.

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: Greenbeast on May 09, 2014, 09:01:06 AM
That is brilliant Mart, nice one

Our own diabetic rehoming looks like he'll be a bit of a force to be reckoned with when we get some weight back on him


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: biff on May 09, 2014, 10:07:11 AM
That is a horrible story Mart,
                  I am getting hot flushes with jealououous rage,
          Yesterday evening,I went into one of the stores to measure up sheets of box profile for the new array. So I am deep in though but dragging and lifting these sheets,making a racket,
          Suddenly out of the corner of my eye,I noted an orange flash,leaping off one of the shelves,It dropped down and made straight to go out door,heading right between my legs. I am after
          male,and dropped the sheet that I was holding onto the floor.The moggie crashed head on into the sheet,turned around and went back up onto the shelves out of sight..
           So I spent the following 10 minutes offering humble apologies and recovering from an almost heart attack.
           Moggie was fine and stalked me down the garden afterwards. Sadly our blackbirds are all getting killed however I don,t think it is the cats,because what ever it is dismembers
           the birds on the spot,Leaving meat on the upper legs etc.We have a visitor/s who shadows Diese and Nat during last walks. I think our mink are back.They play like wild kittens,
           pulling up stones and rolling them around.
           Sad news on our Bat front.Yesterday evening while putting the tools away,I noticed a small dark form on one of the internal mixing pedals of the mixer. I was a tiny bat who had
           mistakenly flown into the mixer,confused by the acoustics and fell into the water in the bottom of the drum,He managed to reach the pedal and drag himself out,clear of the water
          but I think the cold killed him. He was well and truly dead. These are tiny amazing creatures of incredible ability. This is a disaster because I really like these little guys.
                                                                                                                Biff
           
           


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on May 09, 2014, 10:38:59 AM
Hope this works, and apologies for the stupid 'baby voice' and daft dialogue, but I was trying to keep talking (and softly) as it seems to boost his confidence (makes a change, most humans run away when I start talking).

Oh, and it seems to start with a still of his ar5e, that's not deliberate:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/53852f1ad5rxahc/MVI_1577.AVI

Plan has now changed again, he's so good we'll try to keep him in for a couple of weeks and see if he wants to join our little clowder.

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: clockmanFR on May 09, 2014, 11:08:08 AM
Lovely, but not sure who is the softest.    :hysteria  :hysteria  :hysteria   :hysteria


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: Quakered on May 09, 2014, 11:12:49 AM
Bloody marvelous story Mart and checking up on Flash's progress is becoming part of my morning routine. I am not sure if this change of attitude towards you both is because he understands that you are the folks who have fixed what must have been a very painful injury or just down to the removal of his wedding tackle.

If the collective view is the change is due to the later, should we have a whip around to have a similar operation on Martin in the hope that it will also make him a bit more cuddly?


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: biff on May 09, 2014, 11:15:17 AM
 :hysteria :hysteria :hysteria


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: Greenbeast on May 09, 2014, 11:28:38 AM
ha ha ha


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: todthedog on May 09, 2014, 12:19:09 PM
Great story Mart, seems you have gained a new lodger.
Like Quakered became fixed for my daily update on Flash's progress!
What has become of that wildcat. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: skyewright on May 09, 2014, 04:07:03 PM
Plan has now changed again, he's so good we'll try to keep him in for a couple of weeks and see if he wants to join our little clowder.
You're doing a fantastic job there. Well done.
Like you say, the way he's responded so quickly strongly suggests that he's a pet who's fallen on hard times rather than a lifetime feral. The fact that he came back in so quickly after the dramatic exit must mean that he has a deep seated idea that humans are (or at least can be) okay.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on May 10, 2014, 07:56:09 AM
Plan has now changed again, he's so good we'll try to keep him in for a couple of weeks and see if he wants to join our little clowder.
You're doing a fantastic job there. Well done.
Like you say, the way he's responded so quickly strongly suggests that he's a pet who's fallen on hard times rather than a lifetime feral. The fact that he came back in so quickly after the dramatic exit must mean that he has a deep seated idea that humans are (or at least can be) okay.

Hiya guys, thanks for the comments. And yep skyewright that's my guess too. Each visit now quickly results in him popping out of his box (with frequent checks that it's still there (walk in, turn round, walk straight back out)) followed by loads of head butts and head rubs. We've got a couple of head-butt cats, but this guy could probably break a nose if he gets any more enthusiastic.

He also seems desperate to cuddle up, he keeps walking up to me, flopping down next to me for 2 seconds, then back up and into box, then rinse and repeat. I suspect he's a cuddler if he can build up more confidence.

Last night we heard a scuffle on the stairs, and Wifey went to investigate. She assumed Mickey (a neighbours cat) had popped in, which he does most days, and Mo our smallest and stroppiest cat, had decided to chase him off. Instead she found a sodden and terrified young ginger cat stuck in the living room. No idea who he was, and Hobbes (fat ginga) our 'gate-keeper' was simply ignoring him, so he must have been friendly. She opened the front door and he shot out. No more please, with Mickey, and my neighbours 3 cats (they are on holiday) I was feeding 8 cats yesterday ...... any more and I'll be appearing on one of those Channel 4 documentaries.

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: biff on May 10, 2014, 10:55:28 AM
These cats might be a lot more clever than you think mart,
                                 They might be piling into your house for protection.I kid you not. Many years ago when I was starting off in the building,I used to come back to my room,have a rest then go to this local takeaway and buy the same house special every evening.I would eat the house special immediately and then begin work on a job of my own until 9pm.
       The takeaway meals were great value and I could not even buy the gear to cook a meal for the price they were selling the cooked meal to me for.So I finished my own evening job and moved out of digs and into my newly refurbished house.I was pleased with it and my working hours were back to normal(for a while)
    So I am sitting reading the local newspaper and the headline reads. "HEALTH WORKERS AND POLICE FIND ALSATIONS DOGS HANGING IN FREEZER" and there on the front page was a pic of my favourite local takeway and a picture of a very unhappy J,the owner.They closed the place down but it was open again 6 months later under new management.I would say that business was tough ;D .
  For ages there had been jokes going about as to why all the cats and dogs in the neighbourhood were disappearing. Suddenly it was not a joke any more. It was a reality.
           So Mart, Maybe your feline friends are trying to confide in you and give you some hints about making sure to "cook your own and eat at home" and trusting you to cook for them not cook them.
                                                                                                 Biff


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on May 11, 2014, 11:38:44 AM
Hiya Biff, you've reminded me of a joke notice Wifey and I put up in our house about 13 years ago. We'd just caught Mo the feral kitten (6 to 8 weeks old) and he was living in the front room, gaining his confidence. We had a group of friends coming round for a 'games night'. We used to order junk food and play on the Nintendo, silly board games etc.

Mo was and is a very nervous cat, so we didn't want anyone going in the room and scaring him, so Wifey printed off a notice in large type and stuck it to the door:-

"NO ENTRY - MAN EATING PUSSY INSIDE"

Well, we thought it was funny!


Right, time for a News Flash, I mean Flash News.

Been going well, only needs a little encouragement to come out of his safety box and exchange head-butts. This morning we were woken by scratching, around 4.30am. Then we heard some pathetic meowing, so up we get to investigate. For the first time, he's ready at the door, I thought he was going to nip out, so I grabbed him, took him back in, and he went head-butt crazy with me and Wifey. We gave him lots of fuss, then some food, and we went back to bed. Tired.

Mo arrived immediately, he knows something is up, so is a bit upset. he needs lots of reassurance, hopped on the bed, and cuddled under my chin, banging the back of his head against my face, making sure we still love him. Then after 5mins he suddenly 'Meerkat's'. Before running out the door. Then we hear Flash crying at his door. So ...... being the 'ard Kardiff Lad' that I am, I grab a dressing gown, pillow and a copy of New Scientist.

He meets me at the door again and goes butt crazy. I lay down, and he starts PUFing (made up term, Pop Up Flops) he flops next to me, then 1 or 2 seconds later pops up, circles then PUFs again. Finally he wandered off behind me, so I lay quietly reading, then felt him against the back of my legs/knees. He'd settled there, and stayed for about 30 mins, before re-appearing, couple of PUFs, then into his box for a sleep. So it seems he doesn't just tolerate us, but actually wants some interaction.

Time is now 6am, which is food and insulin time for the boys, so I feed them, crash back into bed at 6.10am hoping for a quick snooze. 6.15am Mo arrives back, and unusually for him, scratches his way under the duvet, so he can squeeze right up against my face, and attempt to suffocate me by squashing my nose with the back of his head. He's obviously wired, as just as I start to fall asleep about 7(ish) I must have moved, he bounces up, flips in mid air, lands on the bedside cabinet, facing towards me, knocks the lamp over, then runs in self induced panic across me, Wifey and out the door.

I decide to call it a bust, and get up.

Thank goodness the neighbours got home from their hols in the middle of the night, that's 3 less cats (and heart tablet stuffed prawns) to worry about.

Hopefully I'll catch up on some sleep about 10 laps into the grand prix, at least that's what usually happens.

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: todthedog on May 11, 2014, 12:10:57 PM
Sleep well!!! :hysteria :hysteria :hysteria


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: biff on May 11, 2014, 05:36:47 PM
I was getting a bit worried there Mart,
                                    For a moment I thought your new cat was going to turn into some kind of Succubus and take over your life. It is well documented that Succubi often take the male feline form to investigate new victims and then return as beautiful erotic temptress,s when you start calling them into the house at night.You must not invite it back(so they say)
   I would be rather careful about a repeat performance,The succubus might catch you off guard and render you powerless to defend yourself.They say it is highly addictive but also a rather exciting way to die.
    Biff


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on May 15, 2014, 01:56:31 PM
One week done, and I get Flashed in bed!

Quick update, hope I'm not boring anyone. Things going really well. The 'orrible' patch on Flash's cheek is getting smaller. he keeps scratching the scab off, but it's a little smaller each time. Now down form about 30mm and perhaps 5mm deep, to 15mm and perhaps 2mm deep. So about 1/4 of the surface area, and the new skin is already covered in white fluff. I'm always amazed at the recuperative powers that cats and dogs have.

Hobbes and Calvin have strolled into the room when the door is open. Each time Flash gives a welcoming chirp, and actually trotted up to Hobbes and touched noses. Both C & H give him little hisses, but nothing major. He blinks appropriately, and they stroll on, so no issues there.

We've just started trying to de-institutionalise him, as he hides in his box. So we leave his door open as much as possible, but have to close the living room door to prevent access to the catflaps. Last evening he was so exited to see us, and wasn't slowing down, so we felt bad locking him in when we went to bed, so instead we left the other boys 'locked out' (limited to living room and conservatory, and garden).

We placed an old duvet near our bedroom door, in the room, and after I showed it to him, he settled down. We went to bed, Wifey to sleep, me to watch Family Guy. I wake up 30 mins later (must be getting old) I went to switch things off, and noticed Flash curled up tight on the bottom of the bed. He stayed all night.

So, latest plan (we keep changing our minds) is to keep him in for another couple of weeks, at least. Get him used to the rest of the house, then see what happens. During this time, his urge to patrol should also reduce (following the neutering) and he may, if he's sensible, have found a safe an easy place to live.  :crossed

(http://s29.postimg.org/padshza6r/Too_many_cats.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/padshza6r/)

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: Greenbeast on May 15, 2014, 02:39:18 PM
One week done, and I get Flashed in bed!

Quick update, hope I'm not boring anyone. Things going really well. The 'orrible' patch on Flash's cheek is getting smaller. he keeps scratching the scab off, but it's a little smaller each time. Now down form about 30mm and perhaps 5mm deep, to 15mm and perhaps 2mm deep. So about 1/4 of the surface area, and the new skin is already covered in white fluff. I'm always amazed at the recuperative powers that cats and dogs have.

Hobbes and Calvin have strolled into the room when the door is open. Each time Flash gives a welcoming chirp, and actually trotted up to Hobbes and touched noses. Both C & H give him little hisses, but nothing major. He blinks appropriately, and they stroll on, so no issues there.

We've just started trying to de-institutionalise him, as he hides in his box. So we leave his door open as much as possible, but have to close the living room door to prevent access to the catflaps. Last evening he was so exited to see us, and wasn't slowing down, so we felt bad locking him in when we went to bed, so instead we left the other boys 'locked out' (limited to living room and conservatory, and garden).

We placed an old duvet near our bedroom door, in the room, and after I showed it to him, he settled down. We went to bed, Wifey to sleep, me to watch Family Guy. I wake up 30 mins later (must be getting old) I went to switch things off, and noticed Flash curled up tight on the bottom of the bed. He stayed all night.

So, latest plan (we keep changing our minds) is to keep him in for another couple of weeks, at least. Get him used to the rest of the house, then see what happens. During this time, his urge to patrol should also reduce (following the neutering) and he may, if he's sensible, have found a safe an easy place to live.  :crossed

(http://s29.postimg.org/padshza6r/Too_many_cats.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/padshza6r/)

Mart.

The misses always says, a cat with a severed leg could heal itself as long as the leg is in the same room  ;D ;D

We're at a similar stage with The Count, he's gradually being let out of his cage more and more with the various different animals to meet. We now open the cage and shut the lounge door over night and during the day while we're not around to supervise him interacting with everyone.
He's going to be a bit fierce i think, he's bitten fluff off of two of the other cats and lays in the middle of the lounge amongst the 50kg dogs, merely raising his head in acknowledgement


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: todthedog on May 15, 2014, 03:20:38 PM
Cracking Mart, the great story continues.
Waiting for when Mrs M, gets the duvet on the floor and you settle down with Flash to watch the telly

GB good luck.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on May 15, 2014, 05:16:16 PM
He's going to be a bit fierce i think, he's bitten fluff off of two of the other cats and lays in the middle of the lounge amongst the 50kg dogs, merely raising his head in acknowledgement

How fierce?

Have you seen the news today with the video of a little boy being attacked by a dog, and the family cat charging straight in and attacking the dog?

Pet cat saves boy from dog in America

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraphtv/10831291/Pet-cat-saves-boy-from-dog-in-America.html

Mart.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: todthedog on May 15, 2014, 07:31:43 PM
Extraordinary video, saw it on the news this morning.
Tod once flew at the neighbour's dogs who were going for one of our cats, certainly saving it. Pack instinct I guess.
There is certainly a strange dynamic between them all. ;D



Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: biff on May 15, 2014, 08:33:28 PM
Mart,
     That was not a real cat, It was his pet rat wearing his Cat suit outfit. . I saw the one on the sofa later and it was a different color.
      Pet rats can be very protective you know,  whistle
                                                                  Biff
     But I have to say that it was one very special cat.I did not think that a cat could feel protective towards a non feline ,just shows how little I know about cats.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: M on May 25, 2014, 04:47:20 PM
The end of a tail:-

Well we couldn't put it off any longer. The big day had arrived. Time to clear the route to the garden. Remove all barriers, boards, blocks, bricks, blockade and bulwark (and unlock the catflap ..... like that was going to make a difference). Then open the conservatory door.

Flash (my own personal shadow now) followed me into the conservatory, watched me walk out the door, then followed through the catflap (he may not be as smart as I thought). Quick sniff around the garden for 2 minutes, then trots up to Wifey for a fuss. I call him and walk back in, he follows ........ through the catflap (definitely a whisker short of a beard). Rinse and repeat, no fuss, no trouble and he even adopts the idea of using the wide open door too.

The 30mm diameter, 5mm deep hole is now just a thin line on his cheek, disappearing already beneath new white woolly fluff.

So, dare I say, game over, all sorted, can't think of anything else to add other than a quick photo of Flash, crashed against my leg, with the door to the garden wide open.

(http://s28.postimg.org/f7m8nzbg9/IMG_1628.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/f7m8nzbg9/)

Mart.

PS. You can't save em all, but you can help a few.


Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: todthedog on May 25, 2014, 04:59:13 PM
So glad it ended well. ;D
Everyone doing a little bit makes a big difference.
More power to your elbow Mart
Makes all the effort, blood sweat and tears worthwhile.




Title: Re: Home and insulation
Post by: martin on May 25, 2014, 06:57:03 PM
I the midst of all the cruelty that is inflicted on animals by the sad and sick, it is heartwarming to read of someone going the extra mile for a sick animal -well done! - lets hope the rest of the recovery goes as well!