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Title: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: MR GUS on July 19, 2017, 10:03:42 PM
Taken from a aquaintance's site today

"If you Use Photobucket - to add images to the Forum - PLEASE STOP TODAY !

This Company now wants to Charge $399.99 to those that Put their images on 3rd Party Sites.
(i.e. this Web Forum)...

Many Folks online now Show this Image.
2017-07-19_15-40-33.jpg
http://photobucket.com/p500/

(if your in good standing with them)
if you had a Pro-Account or Ad Free Account - they will let you Go until DEC...

After December - they will be doing this for ALL Accounts..... (that don't Pay this Ridiculous FEE)


What does this Do to ALL the Forums... well all Old post will have these Stupid images, in place of the ones Posted.

And Now that Folks will either need to Attach photo's to their Post, (Which I have to pay for the web space).

Or find other Image Hosting Sites....


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: Sean on July 19, 2017, 10:38:03 PM
I don't know why anyone should be surprised at this - they've provided a free service for the last 15? years.


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: biff on July 19, 2017, 10:43:22 PM
Quite the contrary Sean,
                  We moderators are very surprised and disappointed that they did this. We were discussing the new stupid charges a couple of weeks ago.
  Oh Yes,, It was a very very unpleasant surprise for a lot of us.
                               Biff


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: desperate on July 19, 2017, 10:51:02 PM
I don't know why anyone should be surprised at this - they've provided a free service for the last 15? years.

Hmm, I don't know about that you can't go anywhere now on the net without getting bombarded by adverts, and business owners get bombarded with adverts trying to sell advertising, that's how these compnies make their money. They also make exceedingly large amounts of money and yet they pay miniscule tax??
Now they want more :fight

Desp


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: biff on July 19, 2017, 10:52:34 PM
Exactly Desp,
              Biff


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: Sean on July 19, 2017, 10:56:14 PM
Quite the contrary Sean,
                  We moderators are very surprised and disappointed that they did this. We were discussing the new stupid charges a couple of weeks ago.
  Oh Yes,, It was a very very unpleasant surprise for a lot of us.
                               Biff

How much money/bandwidth do you think Navigation (and a lot of other forums) have "saved" by not hosting images ?


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: biff on July 19, 2017, 11:51:02 PM
I am not really interested Sean,
                     That is a kind of crude argument, don,t you think, ?
 We were happy with the way it was and they made a fortune on all the advertising plugs. The free access was the only way that they could get us to view their adds, now they can do without us.
You are the first person that i have met that seems to support the New "400.00 charge. i wonder why, ?
                                                               Biff
                     


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: Sean on July 20, 2017, 12:25:16 AM
It's not a crude arguement, its simply a fact of life - the no free lunch thing/you get what you pay for applies.

You say they've made a fortune, have they really ?

If their business model really does/did depend on income made by selling ad space on the basis that viewers/customers can be driven to the advertising companies simply by offering a free service (which is what they've managed to do for over a decade due to VC and hype) why would they effectively now distroy their own revenue stream by alienating the users ?

Perhaps now that the VC and hype has been spent and evaporated the harsh realities of financial sustainable are behind their change in terms.

Remind me where did I say I supported their new charges ?


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: RIT on July 20, 2017, 01:08:19 AM
To be honest any small web site should be able to configure their systems so that they integrate with Cloudflare which provides a content delivery network, so greatly reduces the i/o load caused by images.

The only sites with a problem are ones like this one, which needs business like services but the operator is not trying to make a return on the site and so is unlikely to upgrade to the more advance features which have a monthly fee. You start to gain a lot of features from about $25 per month (pro + ssl certs), but its still an additional cost and the tech person has to commit some of their time.


As for Photobucket I'm not sure there have ever made a profit, back in 2007 their investors managed to sell the business to MySpace for $250m and an addition $50m earn-out agreement, at the time its turnover was of just $6.3m. In 2009 they were then sold again for just $60m. The latest comment I can find states "As of 2015, Photobucket served 120 billion images to 3 million websites a month and stored billions of photos uploaded by individual users.", that's a lot of I/O and storage costs with no direct income stream.


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: stannn on July 20, 2017, 07:48:40 AM
Just like Photobucket, we moderators don't make anything either. It's done out of pure love for our world. stir:
Stan


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: sam_cat on July 20, 2017, 08:33:35 AM
Use IMGUR personally, works really well!


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: eabadger on July 20, 2017, 08:43:24 AM
i dont like paying for free services or seeing adverts, but understand you cant get one without the other, their hosting fees must be through the roof.

how many active members are on this site? how many enjoy using this site? could the cost if no alternative be covered by a small annual payment? or donation that gave something in return?
to be thankful to Navitron, they have my email details but they never mailshot me, which is good, but commercially poor, i would be happy to pay not to be mailshot if it helped?

steve


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: Ted on July 20, 2017, 09:15:02 AM
Images up to 600 KB (big enough for almost all purposes) can be uploaded directly to the Forum. You will most likely need to resize any photos taken directly off a camera or phone though before uploading.

The Forum also supports http://postimages.org image hosting as an alternative if there is a need for any larger file size.

Just click the Add image to post link immediately above the text entry box when creating a post.







Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: biff on July 20, 2017, 09:33:06 AM
Postimages,
         Is quite good and was updated not too long ago. It is relatively simple to use and has been around for years. It was Martin who passed the link to me years ago.
   And yes it is free absolutely free,We will not mention free lunches or getting what you pay for but instead be happy with what we can access without having to get stuck for 400 smackeroos.
  Life is good, The sun shines bright on our array, heating the water and running the house, fuel free..Who could ask for more.
                                                                 Biff
 


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: MR GUS on July 20, 2017, 09:34:55 AM
Thing is, over the years i've not joined any of these photo software companies for regular posting (exception was twitpic, for twitter, now defunct) ..because rules change & more often than not an old thread is no longer a good descriptive read because the image is "no longer available" ..so likely the originator moved on, changed pc's & didnt renew software agreement, etc..

Thus I tend to post anywhere the own forum can support it, it tends, in the main to stand the test of time.

IDGAD about photo bucket but thought it might be relevant to regular posters who are at risk of losing lots of what they deem valuable, thus the thread, before it dropped off my radar (memory fail: via head injuries).

Free, typically "aint" because of data exploitation (service agreement).

But yeah, ...renewables n' stuff.


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: TT on July 20, 2017, 12:44:28 PM
Have to agree with Sean, 15 years free service isn't bad.
Companies are in business to make money after all.


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: desperate on July 20, 2017, 06:14:39 PM
Have to agree with Sean, 15 years free service isn't bad.
Companies are in business to make money after all.

But thy do make money, loads of it, and these so called free services are used to generate traffic and web presence. In a similar way I guess Navitron supply the forum to us lot for "free" because goo88le notice all the traffic we generate and so the profile goes up, it is part of Navitrons advertising spend which is fine.

Desp


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: Sean on July 20, 2017, 07:43:39 PM


But thy do make money, loads of it ....

That's twice you've made that point, would you mind posting the source of your info please ?

Thanks.


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: desperate on July 20, 2017, 08:05:26 PM
It's pretty common knowledge that the giants like G**gle, FACEB**K , and etc make a pretty penny for their web services, and incidentally are somewhat cagey about where exactly they make their money and hence pay much less tax than maybe they ought to. stir:

 Photobucket are much smaller for sure but with a hundred million subscribers and a subscription tally that starts at 30 bucks a year and  up to four hundred a year you ain't gonna tell me they don't make plenty.
I don't have a problem with that, I just think it is a little miserly that they are going to do away with all free hosting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photobucket

Desp


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: Sean on July 20, 2017, 08:26:02 PM


 Photobucket are much smaller for sure but with a hundred million subscribers and a subscription tally that starts at 30 bucks a year and  up to four hundred a year you ain't gonna tell me they don't make plenty.


Let's not forget that turnover is vanity, profit is sanity .......


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: fourfootfarm on July 20, 2017, 10:09:32 PM
I like imgur, its not as good as it was but it still does the job


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: RIT on July 20, 2017, 10:55:06 PM
It's pretty common knowledge that the giants like G**gle, FACEB**K , and etc make a pretty penny for their web services, and incidentally are somewhat cagey about where exactly they make their money and hence pay much less tax than maybe they ought to. stir:

 Photobucket are much smaller for sure but with a hundred million subscribers and a subscription tally that starts at 30 bucks a year and  up to four hundred a year you ain't gonna tell me they don't make plenty.
I don't have a problem with that, I just think it is a little miserly that they are going to do away with all free hosting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photobucket

Desp

Regardless of what the giants are doing Photobucket is a failing micro service. It does not publish much detail, but the 100M user claim is from way back and in the past they never deleted inactive accounts so the number just kept rising. There have also never declared how many of their users were using anything other than their free service.

To get an idea of just how bad the company is doing you just need to look at stats from the Alexa ranking system. As images from Photobucket were/are linked across the web the site should generate very public access history, such as the following

   http://www.rank2traffic.com/photobucket.com

So with the massive growth of internet traffic over the last 8 years, Photobucket has grown from 433M sessions a month to 36M. Its worth noting that around the time of the 400M sessions per month it was sold (in a fire sale) for just $60m. the ranking table also shows the slide - from the 38th most visited site back in 2009 to the 1000th odd.


You just need to compare Photobucket to Imgur which started up about 8 years ago.

   http://www.rank2traffic.com/imgur.com

It's not hard to see where Photobucket's business(and much of Flickr's) went.


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: biff on July 21, 2017, 09:28:12 AM
Aye RIT,
        That is quite interesting. I note that the final graph seems family orientated with 170,000 pics/customers. Yet all this is down to management and being quick to seize the opportunity in the modern market.
The folks that paid the big money on the companies first sale never seemed to get it up and running and then along comes some other company and buys it for a song,, a 60 million song. It would be interesting again to see of the second owner who suffered a loss of 290million is still operating and wrote off that loss in it,s tax returns.None of this information is readily available but deals like that and much much bigger are going down all the time, even the most famous or infamous (,which every way you look at it) president of the US is supposed to be an expert in such financial wizardry.
  The bottom line is,,,,,One is free and the other is looking for 400.00. I am deeply in love with the first and stick out my tongue at the second,,However and however, If someone has 15 years of photographic history floating in Photobucket, I can understand the determination to justify payment but somehow, I would also find the time to download as much of the important stuff as possible before making my exit. Perhaps it is a management problem. Postimage updated their site and posted us a short explanation of what was going on in the world of copyrights etc. Thankfully, It is still free.
                                                                          Biff
 


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: RIT on July 21, 2017, 09:51:37 AM
Aye RIT,
The folks that paid the big money on the companies first sale never seemed to get it up and running and then along comes some other company and buys it for a song,, a 60 million song.

The first purchaser was MySpace, which at the time was owned by News Corp (i.e. Murdoch and co). This in its self was a screwed up mess as they purchased MySpace in 2005 for $580M and then sold it on for around $35m in 2011 as it lost to Facebook. MySpace also shows the lack of value in quoting account numbers as they had the details of 360m accounts leaked in 2016 after a hack, so lots of accounts but limited income per account. Just before the hack MySpace and its parent company was sold for around $87m to Time Inc, reports at the time stated that the whole of the MySpace group generated  "well in excess" of $100 million in digital advertising revenue for the year.


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: Sean on July 21, 2017, 10:00:48 AM
12 rounds of VC from folks convincing each other that PB is the next global cashcow can help paint a very rosy (but fake) financial picture.


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: Tombo on July 22, 2017, 04:42:08 AM
Anyone else having trouble downloading their albums from Photobucket?
I have tried with windows 7 & 10 with firefox with and without the ad blocker switched on.


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: Mostie on July 23, 2017, 01:49:02 PM
and its rendered a lot of the old threads on here useless now without the pics, like Frotters for example.


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: frotter on August 23, 2017, 11:10:09 PM
Yeah this sucks balls!
I have so many pics linked to PB on here.....
Going to try and move them - not very optimistic.    :fume

Frot

 bike:


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: frotter on August 24, 2017, 12:29:17 AM
Pfff...! started very slowly going thru my posts to change the links to me Dropbox account. Be finished around Chrimble I reckon.   tumble:

 bike:

X


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: todthedog on August 24, 2017, 06:39:36 AM
Lord of the Lard

A real pleasure to see you ! ;D

Agree a total pain in the a*se!

There must be another way!


Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: frotter on August 24, 2017, 08:21:48 AM
 I guess it's true what they say, there's no such thing as a free Scotch egg.....
Gits.
bike:





Title: Re: Photobucket rip off..(find another hosting site)
Post by: MR GUS on August 24, 2017, 02:48:34 PM
Personally think that we ought to have an annual vote on a "praise the lard" award for most forward thinking advances in accessible renewables to compliment the chocolate teapot...

I hereby offer my carving skills for a trophy of sorts if anyone fancies orchestrating something dumb!  #chilledlardsculpting