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BIOMASS => General => Topic started by: Westie on August 06, 2018, 11:36:14 AM

Title: Food vs Fuel
Post by: Westie on August 06, 2018, 11:36:14 AM
I caught the end of a news article this morning regarding the shortage of animal feed stock.  I can understand this as I've only cut the grass once in 6 weeks! There was a statement made that a lot crops suitable for animal feed were now being used for biomass and ethanol production because it was more profitable. Profit generated for farmers to grow these crops were being paid under the ROC , FiT schemes?  Did they mean that farmers received those payments directly or indirectly?

Title: Re: Food vs Fuel
Post by: brackwell on August 06, 2018, 03:43:57 PM
No payment is going to the farmer.   Most smaller farmers are not in good shape -working 365days for very little if any reward.   Wheat is being exported to France to make proper bread whilst we eat -rap because we are not prepared to pay the going rate.

I talk to farmers and you find that they are getting on and no family want to take it on.   Fields are just being left ideal as nobody wants to work for nothing. Sure the farmers that own half of Lincolnshire etc on good land earn money but as for the rest.

I have to laugh when people say there is a shortage of building land and everybody is being squeezed into little boxes at exorbitant prices. How further from the truth can they be.  IN MY OPINION

Title: Re: Food vs Fuel
Post by: Westie on August 06, 2018, 04:09:16 PM
Thought so, so the subsidy goes to the generator, or the refinery, that enables them to pay over the going rate (for animal feed) and the farmer naturally accepts the highest price.  Meantime the pastoral farmers have to use what ever winter stores they may have during this summer and will have no feed left for winter.....   I can see beef/pork/lamb and poultry prices crashing shortly as farmers sell their stock, then soaring afterwards as there is very little stock left.  I thought the EU were rolling back the legislation to prevent this from happening?

Title: Re: Food vs Fuel
Post by: billi on August 07, 2018, 12:45:10 AM
....... what should I say ?     Its about 10 ton per hectare in passt times cause a good fodder plant , or 2,2 acres  once gorse /furze was havested ... every winter those gorse mountains now are burnt and we all pay for those burning hilla , such a waste  beside the environment desaster