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Title: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: Bodidly on December 10, 2018, 02:07:49 PM
My dad is getting on in years and now does very few miles but due to living remotely a car is very handy. He is currently driving a large diesel estate which has barely warmed up by the time he has reached his destination. He would like to downsize but something which is easy to get in and out of ie upright would be good. Max journey would probably be a hilly 30 miles. Some get up and go would be preferable. Milage will be very very low so is it worth him going electric and if so where should we start? If not electric what are the greenest ICE options?

Thanks


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: camillitech on December 10, 2018, 02:47:24 PM
Something like Phoebe,

(https://lifeattheendoftheroad.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/021_thumb2.jpg?w=573&h=431)

Bo, lovely and easy to get in and out of and great on the hills, pretty pish everywhere else right enough but you'd be amazed what you could carry up and down those hills  ;D

(https://lifeattheendoftheroad.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/015_thumb3.jpg?w=223&h=168)

Seriously though, for short trips on minor roads the wee Daihatsu takes some beating. Great stance and no having to pull yourself off the floor every time you get out the driving seat. Old Phoebe is SORNed now and restricted to duties about the croft but she makes a great four wheel drive shed and is a lot warmer than a quad  :hysteria


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: biff on December 10, 2018, 03:07:32 PM
Daihatsu  Sirion  is an excellent  little car with a good upright driving position.  Great economy and even good on all round journies. Mrs Biff likes hers a lot.
         Biff


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: oliver90owner on December 10, 2018, 03:51:14 PM
Budget?

Most BEVs would do that, but decent ones still seem to demand £5-6k.  Batteries are likely no longer under warranty - if so that could be an expensive repair, if it were to fail!  Clearly not a ‘battery lease’ as they would not be worth it.

Not much servicing, apart from MOT, no annual tax and cheap to charge (particularly if on E7), but slightly more to insure.


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: Bodidly on December 10, 2018, 05:14:11 PM
Budget?



I cant say for sure but bet he would go up to 12K ie smart new ICE territory

No Daihatsu dealers near by so not sure that's a goer sadly. I forgot to say there must be auto option.


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: offthegridandy on December 10, 2018, 06:08:15 PM
We purchased in the spring a Dacia Duster with selectable 4X4.  Prices start <£10K lovely little car 50 MPG , Nice high seat so far it's been a winner.  SWMBO ised to drive a petrol Trooper, this car is being paid for on the fuel savings alone.  Worth a look.

Andy


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: biff on December 10, 2018, 07:21:27 PM
Daca has a great name here for reliability  and economy.
    I know a few people who bought them the stepsides and say that they are first class.
          Biff


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: marshman on December 10, 2018, 07:49:03 PM
Another +1 for  Dacia My brother bought a Sandero about 6 months ago. Very basic by todays standards, but also "conventional" and simple (lift the bonnet and you can see the engine :o). It has a nice high seating position so no climbing "up" out of the car. Our dad is now getting on a bit and has a Ford Fusion and thought the Sandero was OK to get in and out of.

Probably not the "greenest" around in terms of emissions but if the mileage is really low that won't matter as much and as the car is simple without the gizmos its "footprint" from being manufactured will be less to start with.

Personally for an elderly person I would still clear of anything "new" i.e electric or a modern hybrid/ICE with bells 'n' whistles. a) they all seem overly complex to me and b) the visibility always seems appalling with limited rear visibility, massive thick windscreen pillars and high waist lines. Keep it simple then there is less risk of "getting confused" and hitting the wrong pedal.


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: kristen on December 11, 2018, 06:55:03 AM
My Father in Law is 82 and asks about a BEV replacement now-and-then. I haven't found one that I think suitable, but the thing he particularly seems attracted to is "plug it in when you get home". He's rural, although not too far to go to fill up, but presumably he finds that a chore (although I'll ask him). Definitely a benefit ...

But he has the most simplest of mobile phones we could find ... he's sharp and used TECH before retirement (albeit that's 20 years ago ...) but even so all the "stuff" that gets added to TECH annoys me, let alone him! so I can see anything brand new, BEV in particular, being a challenge.

What I'd like for him is a self-driving car; he shouldn't be driving ... and he isn't going to get any better. But there is no public transport of any type where he lives.


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: Bodidly on December 11, 2018, 07:47:03 AM
My Father in Law is 82 and asks about a BEV replacement now-and-then. I haven't found one that I think suitable, but the thing he particularly seems attracted to is "plug it in when you get home". He's rural, although not too far to go to fill up, but presumably he finds that a chore (although I'll ask him). Definitely a benefit ...

But he has the most simplest of mobile phones we could find ... he's sharp and used TECH before retirement (albeit that's 20 years ago ...) but even so all the "stuff" that gets added to TECH annoys me, let alone him! so I can see anything brand new, BEV in particular, being a challenge.

What I'd like for him is a self-driving car; he shouldn't be driving ... and he isn't going to get any better. But there is no public transport of any type where he lives.

Sounds very similar. I wish I could talk him into using Taxis but it's just not in his DNA and not going to change him now. Driving is probably good for him it's the others I am worried about!

marshman. Good points about visibility. Looking around I think super minis or super mini MPVs. Dacia is an option as there is good garage near by and their simplicity would be good.

Keep it coming all its a great help  :)


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: kristen on December 11, 2018, 08:47:35 AM
I wish I could talk him into using Taxis but it's just not in his DNA

I haven't investigated that, I just think of it has being hugely inconvenient.  Book a taxi at 10AM to go ... that part is fine ... but coming home? He might well get distracted doing something unexpected.  However, maybe Uber is widespread in my area and arrive on-demand in 5 minutes. A taxi certainly wouldn't be ... might be if he was in the Big Town, but 50% of his trips are to small town/large village shopping and amenities, and a Taxi would be dispatched from big Town and take 20 minutes to get there ... to then take him the 10 minutes home

Is there a way to find what the average wait-time would be for Uber in a particular area?  If half-decent that would definitely focus my attention.

Other thing I find disappointing. He would pay a Spotty Youth, in his village, to chauffeur him around, in his car.  Spotty Youth would then have an hour or two to kill in Local Town and/or use of the car, which presumably would be worthwhile ... but no such Spotty Youth could be found - even though basic raw material is not in short supply!


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: Barrie on December 11, 2018, 09:20:10 AM
Mmm, many spotty youths don't have driving licences nowadays, perhaps different in the sticks but those growing up with public transport in big towns don't see the need and don't have a mini fortune to spare.

My cousin drives a Sandero which she says is easy to drive has lots of space and the dealer is good but it's very basic.

SWMBO drives a Suzuki Celerio which again is a very easy to access boxy car. It's very economical even though it never goes more than ten miles from home. It has lots of kit including hands free, stop start, dab radio, electric front windows, air-con and the dealer is brilliant. Our only reservation three years ago was that it didn't have a good NCAP score but then we discovered that it was miles better than the Punto it was replacing.

Uncle drives a Honda Jazz which has been utterly reliable and is also high up but without being difficult to get in and out of.

Father drove a Fiesta until he stopped driving at the age of 90, the Titanium model wouldn't be within the budget but does have all the bells and whistles. It had a very wide cill so it wasn't easy for my mother to get in and out of.

We decided that for an elderly driver the three essentials were an auto gear box, air conditioning and nowadays lane departure warning, the first two assist in making the driving easier for those with heart or physical movement issues whilst the latter is a real safety aid.


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: oliver90owner on December 11, 2018, 09:31:59 AM
Does ‘lane deparure warning’ work on hilly country lanes?


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: chasfromnorfolk on December 11, 2018, 09:57:30 AM
 ‘easy to get in and out of’ was a consideration with Mrs Chas changing from her V40 estate... chose a VW Golf Plus. Also, for the first time in her life, an auto. A significant degree higher, more economical, good build (the car, the car) no complaints after nearly a year. Thinking about it, probably more space than the estate...

Chas


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: todthedog on December 11, 2018, 10:08:31 AM
 We had the very base model sandero. Very cheap not sure that going to a more highly speced model is such good value. Ours was very reliable and cheap to maintain, no bells and whistles but decent storage and easy to get in and out . Fuel economy not brilliant.

Back in the UK we have a i10 hyundai only 900cc but runs fine on a motor way and is good on fuel. The boot is large enough for a border collie one of the reasons for choosing it, £20 a year tax, it is 2014 and it falls into the lowest insurance catagory. I am not very flexible and no problems for me getting in and out


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: biff on December 11, 2018, 11:06:25 AM
Pappas for courses.
   When our dearest Pappa forsook Henry and looked towards S Korea. We were all taken aback. The long intermitted line of Henry Jalopies. This man had bought his V8 Custom lines from Henry.s factory in Cork in the 50s. When he landed back to his house with a black nondescript  foreign  yoke we were thinking that maybe he was getting  sensible  at last. It was new but a very small badge said Gti.It was  80th birthday present to himself. I knew nothing about  these machines but the very first blast out the Antrim Line put that much pressure on my spine it reminded me of an old green/white Lotus Mk1 Cortina that I drove for a short while in the late 60s except that the Hyundai had proper seats. This thing was an absolute  animal but only 1600cc. The engine was sealed in from view but you could view it in the accompanying  manual.I sat in it just that once. My presence only encouraged  him to put the shoe to the board. He stuck with Hyundai till he died at 94. His last dark green lantra was just a year old. It was his 4th Hyundai.
I had Jags and good Volvos in my 20s but could only afford the Family tractors when my kids were growing up.
I would be content  to drive about in a little coal scoop with wheels like the present one as long as it keeps the rain out and passes the law. My old man would not get into it never mind drive it yet it does everything remarkable  well at 40 to the gallon. My son like my Dad listens to the Vs like we listen to  music. He sold his Fiat 500 Abarth for a surprisingly  good price and returned to the land of the Hemis. His first purchase was a 12 pot job. Sometimes I think he winds me up a bit too much when I go " holy fxxk could you not have bought something
Decent" however he is changing  to a different model that has a special Alternator that can do 6 different  things. It's a breed of Hybrid. The alternator assists acceleration. It still does 6 to the gallon. I did ask if it was possible to buy the alternator  on its own. He does not drive very much any more. His last works road trip was 2000miles+ to spread the gospel and make new friends for the company. That works trip provex that the cars over there are no more  reliable than our own. The first car blew the engine and the Company replaced it. After he got back home he thanked the driver for looking after everything and remarked that it was a good trip apart from the first car lying down. The driver laughed and said. "Well we got a flat as well"
My Dad would Polish and tweak his cars. My son likewise. Strange  how it skips the generations.
Horses for courses. There are some folks who will not downsize to the end.
     Biff


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: Bodidly on December 11, 2018, 11:46:44 AM
Does ‘lane deparure warning’ work on hilly country lanes?

Yes not sure departing these lanes would be a good idea


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: kristen on December 11, 2018, 04:38:16 PM
Does ‘lane deparure warning’ work on hilly country lanes?

Pretty difficult not to cross the median line (where there is one) on the (narrow & twisty) country roads round here ... but I have quite a large car.  Probably still handy though, even with the false-alerts ... when venturing further afield on well marked A-roads if the Alert sounds there will probably be a good reason.

AEB probably also worthwhile. I've had [the alarm part of] mine go off when briefly looking down at the dash on dual-carriageway when traffic ahead slowed down abruptly ... but car was driving itself at that point, so other than me looking up somewhat alarmed, and heart speeding up, I didn't have to actually DO anything :)


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: supremetwo on December 11, 2018, 08:58:26 PM
‘easy to get in and out of’ was a consideration with Mrs Chas changing from her V40 estate... chose a VW Golf Plus. Also, for the first time in her life, an auto. A significant degree higher, more economical, good build (the car, the car) no complaints after nearly a year. Thinking about it, probably more space than the estate...Chas
The newer VW Polos are as large as the older Golfs.
We have the Polo Match 1.4l petrol with fully-auto 7-speed DSG gearbox and it is roomy, very easy to drive, economical and reliable.

https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/transmissions-and-drivetrains/automatic


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: peterboat on December 11, 2018, 11:31:35 PM
A nice Nissan Leaf, early 24KW model would be ok for him


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: Bodidly on December 12, 2018, 10:47:02 AM
‘easy to get in and out of’ was a consideration with Mrs Chas changing from her V40 estate... chose a VW Golf Plus. Also, for the first time in her life, an auto. A significant degree higher, more economical, good build (the car, the car) no complaints after nearly a year. Thinking about it, probably more space than the estate...Chas
The newer VW Polos are as large as the older Golfs.
We have the Polo Match 1.4l petrol with fully-auto 7-speed DSG gearbox and it is roomy, very easy to drive, economical and reliable.

https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/transmissions-and-drivetrains/automatic

I wont get him near VW. He went to buy a golf 5-6 years ago. We booked a drive in advance and arrived on time. Sat there for an hour waiting for someone to be available. No apology no coffee nothing. Dad lost his rag and we left. On the way home dropped into Skoda who sold him a car in less time that he had sat there waiting. The Octavia was less than the golf with the same engine so it worked out well at the time.


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: oliver90owner on December 12, 2018, 03:43:28 PM
Skoda is part of the VW group!  Just a different dealer attitude, I expect.


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: Barrie on December 12, 2018, 04:52:51 PM
Funny, I only suffered from asthma for the two and a half years that I had a Passat as a company car. Although the Doctor's records back up my case I have no contract with VW so they won't deal with me. The same engine was in Skoda, Audi and Seat products so I won't touch any of them now.
(Climbs down off wooden box)


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: camillitech on December 12, 2018, 05:08:13 PM
Funny, I only suffered from asthma for the two and a half years that I had a Passat as a company car. Although the Doctor's records back up my case I have no contract with VW so they won't deal with me. The same engine was in Skoda, Audi and Seat products so I won't touch any of them now.
(Climbs down off wooden box)

Well, you have lost me there Barrie, how do you get asthma from the engine? The seats, carpets, headlining, trim, heater, pollen filter perhaps but the engine wackoold


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: Bodidly on December 12, 2018, 06:31:45 PM
Having looked at quite a lot of models today looks like he is going for another Skoda. Either a Yeti or Fabia for the same reason he had a Skoda last time in that the others dealers couldn't be bothered to help where as Skoda made it all easy for him. No one offered him a hybrid variant for the use required and he didn't fancy an uphill struggle nor me for that matter. The Dacia was probably the next best option and looked very good value.


Thanks all for the help and advise


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: camillitech on December 12, 2018, 06:37:37 PM
Yeti



I do like the Yeti but it does have a pish towing capacity, not that that should be an issue, would seriously consider one for me wife though  :genuflect


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: offthegridandy on December 12, 2018, 07:38:43 PM
Do you meas the wife has Pish towing capacity Paul?


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: biff on December 12, 2018, 10:25:53 PM
When I was a kid,
               There were Skodas in our town. Quite a big heavy car. Very very similar in design to the Volvo Amazon . The Borgward Isabella and the Amazon were in competition .
    The DKW 3,6 was a favorite of mine especially in Black and Yellow, A friend had one. The Skoda back then would have been regarded as one of the best cars in that class.
   They were considered a very respectable car.
   A short time later the market was flooded with Renaults , Simcas, NSUs. They were not good.
 Ford had 3 bearing engines in their Consuls, Prefects and Anglias, (upright). Even in the 100E.
   Austin A30 was a cracking good little car 4speed and 45 to the gallon.. The Morris Minor that everyone loved broke my heart. The Anglia 105 was excellent but for the rust.
 The DKW 3.6 had a big fat coil for each of it,s 3 cylinders. Just like Mrs Biff,s little Sirion but 2 stroke instead of 4 like the Sirion.
 The original Beetle was not a German design, The Original was twice the size and Czech. There are still a couple alive to this day.
   Cars,,,who needs them, Bahhh :fume ;D
                            Biff


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: camillitech on December 13, 2018, 06:44:20 AM
Do you meas the wife has Pish towing capacity Paul?

Wife has no towing capacity Andy  :hysteria


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: camillitech on December 13, 2018, 06:47:22 AM
Borgward Isabella

Me dear departed father in law had a beautiful red and cream coupe, not many of those left now.


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: Barrie on December 13, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
Hi Paul,

Asthma - speculation purely based on coincidence!

Perfectly healthy for 52 years then suffered asthma three months after being issued with the Passat, then fully recovered six months after it was replaced two years later. Never ever considered there was a link until the recent VW Gate story blew up when the coincidence struck me. Nothing else had changed in my lifestyle but it knocked running on the head and I was often left wheezing just lying in bed.

At the time my twice daily journeys were a minimum twenty miles so most of the 25,000 miles per year were spent running in cheat mode.

Perhaps I should be grateful that I got better mpg as a result.....


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: camillitech on December 13, 2018, 03:48:50 PM
I have no doubt that part of the car caused your asthma, just not the engine, more likely something in the HVAC or trim.

Cheers, Paul


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: oliver90owner on December 13, 2018, 11:43:12 PM
Presumably the time spent in “cheat” mode was when the pollutants were being left behind, them only emanating from the exhaust tailpipe?  Connection with driver’s asthma not conclusive, I would think.


Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: spaces on December 21, 2018, 05:33:57 PM
In reference to the OP, if a three or four year old EV isn't suitable, then a Skoda Roomster has a raised seating position and low sills, good visibility and are great to drive. They're also fine value as buyers don't like anything which is perceived as at all different, have well-proven running gear and are wonderfully simple compared with a lot of the diesel or petrol engined tosh on offer today.



Title: Re: Small car for senior citizen
Post by: sunandwindy on February 14, 2019, 07:44:31 PM
Does ‘lane deparure warning’ work on hilly country lanes?
I have it on a new Leaf. Works well on normal roads with clear road markings and uniform colouring, however bloody annoying on country roads with pot holes variety of tarmac colours. I've not worked out how to disable it yet.